From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 06:51:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05E131065671 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 06:51:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mad@madpilot.net) Received: from megatron.madpilot.net (megatron.madpilot.net [88.149.173.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9843A8FC16 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 06:51:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mad@madpilot.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by megatron.madpilot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D596130C3A; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:51:04 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at madpilot.net Received: from megatron.madpilot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (megatron.madpilot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S2XuSyXy2FOG; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:51:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wedge.madpilot.net (wedge.madpilot.net [172.24.42.11]) by megatron.madpilot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:51:01 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48BF8554.6060905@madpilot.net> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 08:51:00 +0200 From: Guido Falsi User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080726) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremy Chadwick References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <48BEEB55.4050406@madpilot.net> <20080904062053.GA5953@icarus.home.lan> In-Reply-To: <20080904062053.GA5953@icarus.home.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Dan Allen , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 06:51:06 -0000 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 03:01:48PM -0600, Dan Allen wrote: >> On 3 Sep 2008, at 1:53 PM, Guido Falsi wrote: >> >>> If you just want na instant workstation, why you just don't try >>> Freesbie or something like that? >> Because I want something from the source -- from the main team -- and >> not something downstream. >> >>> If I install FreeBSD on a PC I expect this installation to live there >>> for some years. I can spend some hours/days installing and configuring >>> what I really need. At least this is the way I see it. Maybe I'm >>> misunderstanding you. >> I too spend the time. I am thinking that for other people to want to >> use FreeBSD they want something other than a command prompt. They at >> least want a web browser out of the box. > > I haven't finished reading the thread yet, but your assumption is > ignorant. Why do you think FreeBSD is intended solely for desktop > usage? It's not. > > I, for one, **only want a command prompt** out of the box. I **do not** > want Xorg or any X-related garbage on my servers. > I fully agree with this last statement. I choose freebsd for many reasons, and this is one of those, I tried a few linux distributions, and even slackware installs too much garbage if you're not looking closely at it. And n the way to providing a useful desktop system out of the box, I think no one can choose arbitrarily what to include and what not. Most people would find WM+FF[23] too little, some other would want some minimal gnome/kde, some others full blown gnome/kde (or other des for example) who's bound to choose? FreeBSD has always made a choice to be just an os, and a server oriented one. There are downstream distributions bundling full blown systems, and, as stated by others, the devel team has no time to spare, I think it should concentrate on that, and leave the desktop work to others. -- Guido Falsi