Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 13:18:09 -0500 (EST) From: Wankle Rotary Engine <wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> To: phk@ref.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: "development dist" good idea ? Message-ID: <199502111818.NAA03528@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> In-Reply-To: <199502110520.VAA01997@ref.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Feb 10, 95 09:20:07 pm
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They say this Poul-Henning Kamp person was kidding when he wrote:
>
> We have talked about a "development distribution" to reduce the size of
> the bindist.
>
> Is this considered a good idea ?
Uhm. Hurm. As far as I'm concerned, yes and no. It's a good idea for
reducing the amount of disk space required for a basic installation,
which will undoubtedly please many people. But for me, it just means
more things I have to do when I install: I wouldn't dream of setting
up a FreeBSD system without the development tools.
> Here is what I guess would go into it:
> (send me email if you think this list should be changed)
>
> /usr/lib/*.[ao]
> /usr/include
> /usr/libexec/cc*
> /usr/bin/{cc,cpp,size,nm,as,gcc.g++,f77,gdb,f2c,gprof,gcore,make
> rpcgen,strip,tsort,lorder,cruchgen,crunchide} ^^^^
Eeek! No, don't get rid of make. In order for the NIS server stuff to
work correctly, you need make to process /var/yp/Makefile (which somehow
managed not to make it into the last snapshot -- no pun intended). There
may be other things that need it though I can't think of any off hand.
cpp is another one that should stay (xdm needs it), but somebody already
mentioned that.
> This will move approx 9Mb (installed size) into the devdist...
But just think of how often you'll find yourself answering newbie
questions with the words: "You have to install the devdist to
do that." :)
> Should uucp (~ 1MB) be put on a uucpdist ?
>
> Any other ?
>
I personally would rather see it all stay together (even uucp, which
I don't even use). However, I also recognize the need to make the
base system smaller to accomodate the 'unwashed masses.' Until the
masses learn to wash I suppose I'll just have to put up with it.
I have one question though: if you're going to be splitting up the
bindist into pieces, might it not be a good idea to split up the
mandist too? Installing the man pages for the development tools
without installing the tools themselves seems a little silly.
> --
> Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@login.dknet.dk>
-Bill
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