From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 09:16:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F2051065676 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:16:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f210.google.com (mail-fx0-f210.google.com [209.85.220.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D728FC0A for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:16:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm6 with SMTP id 6so11982518fxm.43 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:16:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=2HvjV94GoPpl86YV0Z9wk9aTeMuU01j/9sGZjBzII2c=; b=JsjvQtSBIX001HJA8dhq6E7DR+dffqjqDSwnkqOhfxwMYGz8dWiZWJBlAh6BAIEgq+ /oTPdnwpi3uRLAxXqqLiaFqMmA+CvbaLXBxUFQ2IkVzGmLNX0CrRjLLCKss8od/8C0VQ lohtprD0cIt1qhFSZk68yWfdl4XOrQNrECv0c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; b=si4F1kNV9RC9daQwDtmk1jhFferdJgq9gRqieQ1fmCMKHMdyIojGKyB5I0vin+9rjL B51i4NK9R29zdP4V7cBoAMrZPxP6rqFk9rnMq0ZzruNbF+iAVhCjyWwK0WLem+432cNO 2H7jU923LUbg1gIa7a37mPXo8bKVwJhHGFrKQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.32.213 with SMTP id e21mr8803976bkd.34.1256634994122; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:16:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091027021723.M88213@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910270916.31033.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20091027021723.M88213@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> From: Chris Rees Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:16:14 +0000 Message-ID: To: Lars Eighner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Jonathan McKeown , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:16:35 -0000 2009/10/27 Lars Eighner : > On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, Jonathan McKeown wrote: > >> On Monday 26 October 2009 21:29:27 Yuri wrote: >>> >>> It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. >>> >>> How many people actually use it? Very few. >>> Why isn't it moved to ports? >> >> What is this anti-sendmail obsession people have? > > The configuration is opaque, to put it kindly. > Are you talking about sendmail.m4 or sendmail.cf? Because we stopped editing sendmail.cf by hand years ago..... I really don't think configuring it properly is difficult. As you kindly cut out of Jonathan's post when you replied to it, "Almost everyone I've ever spoken to about why they dislike sendmail trots out a bunch of cliches based on sendmail 8.8. People, we're up to sendmail 8.14 now. Get over it!" [1] Chris [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-questions@freebsd.org/msg223489.html -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list?