From owner-svn-src-head@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 14 02:48:07 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40D854B9; Sun, 14 Jun 2015 02:48:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ig0-x230.google.com (mail-ig0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04244F15; Sun, 14 Jun 2015 02:48:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: by igbzc4 with SMTP id zc4so33820413igb.0; Sat, 13 Jun 2015 19:48:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=/49k6NaIHPDw6OzZfLzW1DhaEHdkffI0bKQJZYx6KPI=; b=Bg4S4U3nW4L+ygPE6ZGuXspjdxYOM7MBYOIbRfqMAwr+MfwVs0btwgEslJbXvMZJic QIJGv+LYB2WL7/B8C0SS+r2f8BzUPMnxd4a8kYoKPop8D7k0hSBRedb1Fbhd+TuW1wn2 GagI+en7Bzv1UTMQIVEWtxrbIOsBihr2GqyEsCUCIlGYhbRNU1d/EunnISnBgUeQzHQX m8YGs6y4CxPwmH6fV5RFfQ3S4zxLaJIJWpqygT666f37F6GvGbnSpHF8CqcXTHH2tEXO Xzd21E58vRTDBd0SccwgtleyZo/n1+/IewR9jYwFCAweldAPrS73FVtxBb/2/uTf1adQ Vnhg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.43.163.129 with SMTP id mo1mr23098842icc.61.1434250086517; Sat, 13 Jun 2015 19:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.36.38.133 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Jun 2015 19:48:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201506100127.t5A1RdX6051959@svn.freebsd.org> <20150612204309.11dd3391@kan> <20150613024916.GA98218@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <1434208622.1415.57.camel@freebsd.org> <557C661F.8080104@freebsd.org> <860017ED-D754-450C-865D-2D81A30C2212@xcllnt.net> <20150614002640.GA2746@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 19:48:06 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: jAAnifVsWfpYm3iF8fQQs8w_RUc Message-ID: Subject: Re: svn commit: r284198 - head/bin/ls From: Adrian Chadd To: Craig Rodrigues Cc: "src-committers@freebsd.org" , "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" , "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 02:48:07 -0000 On 13 June 2015 at 18:22, Craig Rodrigues wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: >> >> > >> > I guarantee that no matter what you've worked on, there's >> > approximately five orders of magnitude of shipping devices whose >> > entire storage space can be measured in 1 digit megabytes. Each year. >> >> (And yes - there's an appreciable set of them for which freebsd boots, >> runs and keeps running on them.0 >> >> You can buy em too, some of them even under $60. > > > Can FreeBSD now not run on these systems because of libxo? It's a tight squeeze as it is. Running in 8MB of flash (even if it's compressed) is still an exercise in "what can you cut out." My point isn't that it isn't running because of libxo; my point is that arguing about "embedded" involving "lots of storage" is woefully incorrect and will continue to be until those gigabytes of storage are available for a penny. Which yes, I'm guessing will happen in my career - but it's also quite likely code bloat will continue to chase that upward. -adrian