From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Apr 17 18:18:21 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD912C3D92 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2020 18:18:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd32.google.com (mail-io1-xd32.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d32]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 493kqJ3lR0z4P5B for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2020 18:18:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd32.google.com with SMTP id b12so3304621ion.8 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2020 11:18:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=yhhpMfTHEHK6BxoQRD1+JUAvVnBzRyMmQ/BrkYEM2KY=; b=dYbXrK2sGVgpW4cQygvZEyDKE1fXrOX2WtU2RPlp5kU8Ll/VB3cw1Cr3+9kq6i/AKL fTG+aqRcJcH8Xsy/5iCcyvMseKx0UQ0rqK7GRwbb7MP/N2n40kFzFOuYq52gii8iazQX C3fwXOw7fhnF/tH5G+Undy0EbaQ5l/4L8iKC1bb14z3hinEkD/TctqhmYDEwjdw9/2rP LsOJT8WoHDqDSjKvARWSO3DPXJY53Ns15MoT1pNJVWsNaONYC1BS+biZlT96z8NFL+BZ Hqx3ZRPxUQzDSuckcf40kYdRG2gm6X6HFm3h9uQi+Bb6FyA+mB+FIB8HywOOAl4Sfyhf XAJg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=yhhpMfTHEHK6BxoQRD1+JUAvVnBzRyMmQ/BrkYEM2KY=; b=K6PrOVctE1Gn7MVl7cY7NSZrk1J0LdPL2D554+aMqZrQwcTIIGTLQNK/CecbTCKTxE JPZ0PTJjbLNPjDk3fkURJOrXHaDpUbqXHqG5g5F7RHcrxROsIVafOl7rNKGozdoWq83b 73HOkUoJjn/tttZN7rDx1A8vB9HyBwavM9LI+pSecR4KCODCm1qiGTEfFT7KfBKdIkBq N+cTmiI4wKur5+DZWHMV12dj+PtB9jHborwtsS2GF9SZIj2Kk1axzsukTUNYTB8ZzOl4 fuancYI/jBjMfE2ud2KU5Uiw4m/5J1nPmiIBfMXDViQi7lrYRHiwj8Ynq0bzAD9gx85x p0vw== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuYq3Ps52AEMjWu9HtM2k53rvXv1JPs3wJv6XuDZPHMTEEosz4O3 vcf45WYhLFtFCcpSJTa9pVlYVW17b2x1/AFHhx8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypI46F1Lz7Cdcf2S2iN4i/Blbz1eSFTpQEkGDvkJiZE+EChYDWn/JEzKGmJYpbgZtNspu28iiDTL5cVQmYDq8wM= X-Received: by 2002:a02:3341:: with SMTP id k1mr4759832jak.74.1587147499288; Fri, 17 Apr 2020 11:18:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3f1496d1f598c84b3871b630f161256e152aca75.camel@tom.com> <681077991.2278153.1587146552233@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <681077991.2278153.1587146552233@mail.yahoo.com> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 14:18:07 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: freebsd should be rewritten based on microkernel architecture To: Paul Pathiakis Cc: Ottavio Caruso , FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 493kqJ3lR0z4P5B X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=dYbXrK2s; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d32 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[3]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[yahoo.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-5.35), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.3.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[yahoo.com] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 18:18:21 -0000 On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 2:03 PM Paul Pathiakis wrote: > I'm a system architect/Sr System Administrator, comp sci degree, 30 years > experience, etc. > > I have to make a living. I do so with RH/CentOS etc. > > Honestly, if people truly understood the difference between BSD and Linux > (full OS vs kernel) and all the nuances as well as the philosophy, I truly > believe that there would be a large migration to FreeBSD. Most of the > largest and most successful companies in their respective fields use it. > (Apple, Netflix, NetApp, etc) > A very important distinction needs to be made here all the above (including your use as sys/netadmin) are essentially end user applications and thus there revenue is derived from means other then selling the code they develop. Apple is first and foremost a hardware company, Netflix is a content company, NetApp sales raw disk space (btw I should thank them for bhyve). As a *programmer* I make my living from writing code and the fundamental problem with GPL is it forces me to give away the one way I make a living (I do not sell hardware, IT services, movie rentals, etc.). How is it fair under any possible definition of fair to force me to give away the thing I need/use to survive? -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org