From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 12 20:01:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AABF16A404 for ; Sat, 12 May 2007 20:01:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mj@feral.com) Received: from ns1.feral.com (ns1.feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AAD513C489 for ; Sat, 12 May 2007 20:01:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mj@feral.com) Received: from ns1.feral.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns1.feral.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l4CJdgJC038842; Sat, 12 May 2007 12:39:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mj@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by ns1.feral.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) with ESMTP id l4CJdgdO038839; Sat, 12 May 2007 12:39:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mj@feral.com) X-Authentication-Warning: ns1.feral.com: mjacob owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 12:39:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob To: Michel Talon In-Reply-To: <20070512193302.GA24673@xor.obsecurity.org> Message-ID: <20070512123652.R38784@ns1.feral.com> References: <20070512004209.GA12218@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <17989.8202.624522.136573@bhuda.mired.org> <20070512090935.GA13929@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <20070512193302.GA24673@xor.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 12 May 2007 21:35:26 +0000 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Mike Meyer Subject: Re: DPS Initial Ideas X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthew Jacob List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 20:01:05 -0000 > Seriously, the FreeBSD package system is in great need of a profound > overhaul, pretending it works well is complete denial of reality. I > hope that young people working on summer code projects will infuse > *new* ideas, and not spend their vacations polishing inadequate tools. Hmm? Works fine for me and many others who are more than casual users. I think Kris has it right when he asks you to state what problems need to be addressed and *then* how you would address them- not to find a way to address problems first. respectfully -matt