From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 9 14: 3:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 71AF937B400 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 14:03:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18084 invoked by uid 100); 9 Mar 2002 22:03:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15498.34475.395754.932338@guru.mired.org> Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 16:03:23 -0600 To: Terry Lambert Cc: Mike Meyer , Paul Robinson , "Nickolay A.Kritsky" , Peter Leftwich , Miguel Mendez , Cliff Sarginson , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: http://users.uk.freebsd.org/~juha/ In-Reply-To: <3C8A75A1.C567BB02@mindspring.com> References: <20020306191854.C2150-100000@earl-grey.cloud9.net> <3C86C11C.8A31C8BB@mindspring.com> <15494.52528.125952.145716@guru.mired.org> <3C86D7D6.C11D7E@mindspring.com> <15494.58407.33613.314390@guru.mired.org> <8457986570.20020307135407@internethelp.ru> <15495.57385.993281.469551@guru.mired.org> <20020308113108.G32897@iconoplex.co.uk> <15497.12783.643757.175742@guru.mired.org> <20020309144158.K32897@iconoplex.co.uk> <15498.28088.976841.7441@guru.mired.org> <3C8A75A1.C567BB02@mindspring.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: "Mike Meyer" X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.48 (Python 2.2 on freebsd4) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert types: > Mike Meyer wrote: > > In that case, you've got to purchase proprietary hardware to do it, > > and it's liable to be expensive. But wanting to satisfy your > > curiousity doesn't justify your stealing from other people. > He's right. Computers that are running software take more > electricity than those running the idle loop. This works > because idle loops aren't software, and because CPU cycles > cost money when you use them to do work, but cost nothing > when there is no work to do. > 8-). Assuming, of course, that they were running an idle loop, and not doing real work. People don't normally spend 8 figures on computers that they then let sit idle a lot. One other comment - how many of you who felt like you had to break into computers to gain access to them thought about simply asking for access? I tended to give it away whenever I could, and I know other places that had similar policies. For that matter, the university I attended seriously undercharged for CPU time, so you could buy lots of CPU time for not a lot of cash. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message