Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:00:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> To: freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org Subject: RE: misc/33906: tic program is missing from the base FreeBSD installation Message-ID: <200201160500.g0G506r84520@freefall.freebsd.org>
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The following reply was made to PR misc/33906; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> To: "Ruslan Ermilov" <ru@FreeBSD.org> Cc: <bug-followup@FreeBSD.org> Subject: RE: misc/33906: tic program is missing from the base FreeBSD installation Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:52:32 -0800 >-----Original Message----- >From: Ruslan Ermilov [mailto:ru@FreeBSD.org] >Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 7:44 AM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org >Subject: Re: misc/33906: tic program is missing from the base FreeBSD >installation > >> >All these do not count in favor of putting tip(1) back >into the base system -- nothing in the base system uses >tip(1) and terminfo stuff. > Ruslan, I fail to see why cc'ing this to bug-followup will help anything. I sent this explanation to you in order to help you understand the problem. Terminals are less used than they used to be and it's understandable that you wouldn't understand the PR unless you had experience with them. You still don't appear to understand what I'm talking about so I don't see that it's worth spending more effort on it. tic and tip are completely separate programs from completely different subsystems. tip is already in FreeBSD. tic is not. As far as your statement that nothing in the base system uses tic, that is flat out wrong. tic is used for converting terminfo source files to termcap entries and FreeBSD's base system uses termcap. The PR was opened not for my benefit, I already know all about termcap and terminfo, it was opened because all other modern UNIX have programs that are included in their base to convert terminfo source to either termcap format, or the compiled terminfo. Admins need to convert terminfo source files (which as you observe are not used in FreeBSD) to termcap entries (which ARE used by FreeBSD) It's a problem not to have a program in the base FreeBSD distribution that can do this because the majority of UNIX are System V that use terminfo and there's a number of terminal vendors that only supply terminfo source files. >If you want, you can submit another PR to the "ports" >category stating that the devel/ncurses port is broken, but it's not, so why would I do that? Do you even know why it's marked FORBIDDEN? I don't think you do. It's not because it's broken, ncurses builds fine. >but I think it's a known issue, and without a suggested >solution it would only spam the PR database. > This really disappoints me. First of all the PR clearly stated that the problem was not in ports, it was in the base. Second, your implication is that I would condone "spamming the PR database" Well, go ahead Ruslan - you can search both open and closed PR's in the database. Show the bug list here all of the PR's that I've entered that are "spam" I think that you've basically shot from the hip on this PR. Everything you've said in response makes no sense at all and doesen't address what I'm talking about. Ted To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-bugs" in the body of the message
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