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From: "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net>
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> On Wed, 2018-08-15 at 13:26 -0700, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
> > >?
> > > Will backing out the MFC and leaving this a 12.0 feature end this?
> > =(
> > 
> > Sadly no, as the person responded with that reaction when
> > they installed 12.0-ALPHA :-(.
> 
> So one whiner can demand of the project that any new feature be removed
> before a new release is made?

Saddly our sample size is never reflective of the user base,
any and all feedback from ANY user, one or one hundred should
be considered.  Most people have come to the point that they
wont even say anything any more cause the FreeBSD developer
community just ignores them, and that I hear from many more
than 1.

I doubt very many of the "user" base is running with this
patch in place yet.


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Rod Grimes                                                 rgrimes@freebsd.org