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Date:      Fri, 29 Dec 1995 09:03:16 +0100
From:      Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.tfs.com>
To:        Michael Smith <msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au>
Cc:        grog@lemis.de, cosmos@misery.bssc.org, hackers@freebsd.org, jack@cdrom.com
Subject:   Re: HELP!!! THIS IS AN EMERGENCY (fwd) 
Message-ID:  <17320.820224196@critter.tfs.com>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 29 Dec 1995 13:02:41 %2B1030." <199512290232.NAA04925@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> 

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> Poul-Henning Kamp stands accused of saying:
> > 
> >> The "best" solution to the basic problem (no Jordan, no wolves this time 8
)
> >> would be better detection/interoperation with BIOS extenders.  This is
> >> kinda problematic though, as none of the deep-down disk hackers consider I
DE
> >> worthy of their spit, and the technical aspects of the problem are
> >> pretty hairy.
> > 
> > As the one who spent a lot more than I liked, of time I didn't have, on 
> > getting this particular area of sysinstall working, I kind of resent that
> > remark, quite a lot in fact :-(
> 
> Sorry; I'd still hold to the assertion that you don't consider IDE worth
> your spit, but that you spent the time because you consider FreeBSD is.

Well, only one of my FreeBSD machines are SCSI, so I think you need to
reconsider...

> > I am also on the ata/atapi mailing-list and I can comfortably say that
> > this entire area is so impossible to handle intelligently and correctly
> > in all cases, that I'm seriously tempted to not even touch it again, ever.
> 
> Hmm. Somehow I don't think we could get away with making FreeBSD an 
> IDE-free zone, but it would be nice.

I'm not talking about an IDE free zone, but about a "We support the following
vanilla config, anything else is on your own risk".

> >        I) a copy of Ontrack Diskmanager version 6.X
> >     *  J) a copy of Ontrack Diskmanager version 7.X
> >     *	.... You get the idea...
> 
> This in particular is the "idea" that's most important in this context;
> it would be nice even just to have an enumerated list of the other 
> products of this type that in use.

Well, do you have any idea how much >I< would like that list ???



> > I personally have 12+ years of OS installation, and have learned that
> > if I have anything on the disks I care about, I will back it up first,
> > and I will read any information from the install program very very 
> > carefully, with a very paranoid attitude.
> 
> But instilling this into the mind of a WareZ-crazed ftp-head is _very_hard_.
> 8(
true.  Not that I care too much about that category of user anyway :-)

--
Poul-Henning Kamp           | phk@FreeBSD.ORG       FreeBSD Core-team.
http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk    Private mailbox.
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Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so.



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