From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 20 21:17:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B354816A4CE for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:17:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C30C43D3F for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:17:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin08-en2 [10.13.10.153])j2KLHT1V025608; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:17:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (pool-68-161-53-96.ny325.east.verizon.net [68.161.53.96]) (authenticated bits=0)j2KLHRrO016008; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:17:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200503202028.j2KKS5Us069180@asarian-host.net> References: <200503202028.j2KKS5Us069180@asarian-host.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <05e1259c5522c81f3d865c59f31b8a10@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Charles Swiger Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:17:26 -0500 To: Mark X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) cc: 'FreeBSD-Questions Questions' Subject: Re: Adaptec AAC raid support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:17:40 -0000 On Mar 20, 2005, at 3:28 PM, Mark wrote: >> I'd bet a dollar to a donut that LSI, Promise, 3ware, and other >> vendors of RAID hardware also have NDA agreements which would prevent >> those companies from making every single internal document available >> to the public. > > > > Nobody ever asked they make 'every single internal document available > to > the public'. That is your own strawman. People do ask, however, that > Adaptec makes enough documentation available to know when what commands > to set to the chipset, and when to expect what to be returned. > Especially if > they themselves have not solved all bugs I didn't create a strawman argument, you can go read what what was said yourself. Please refer to this exchange between Theo and Scott in Message-id: <423C7FC8.1020407@samsco.org>, which ended with: "No, I can't now and never could before give out docs, but I've always been happy to help, review code, point out bugs, etc." Why is it that Scott cannot release the docs being referred to here? I'll give you a hint: what is a three-letter word which limits an employee from releasing information proprietary to his current or former employer? Theo demanded information from Adaptec and from Scott. He got told no. [ At least Theo seems to understand the situation, or to use his own words: "Noone thought to talk to you. You are, I am sure, under a non-disclosure agreement with Adaptec, and I am sure you would therefore not give us documentation. We are quite used to FreeBSD and Linux people signing NDA's by now...." ] -- -Chuck