From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 21 20:35:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA05288 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 20:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de [160.45.24.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA05283 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 20:35:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from mail.hanse.de (193.174.9.9) with smtp id ; Sun, 22 Jun 97 05:35 MEST Received: from wavehh.UUCP by mail.hanse.de with UUCP for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org id ; Sun, 22 Jun 97 05:35 MET DST Received: by wavehh.hanse.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24959; Sat, 21 Jun 97 22:16:21 +0200 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 97 22:16:21 +0200 From: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (Martin Cracauer) Message-Id: <9706212016.AA24959@wavehh.hanse.de> To: softweyr@xmission.COM Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: c++ Newsgroups: hanse-ml.freebsd.chat References: <199706192121.PAA08298@xmission.xmission.com> Reply-To: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk softweyr@xmission.COM (Wes Peters - Softweyr LLC) wrote: >Apparently you've never worked on a large software project with many >similar but not identical elements; this is what C++ really excels at. >If you've looked at C++ but NOT object-oriented design, it's not a >wonder you "dont get it" yet. Last year, I and another engineer >developed a 70,000 line switching application in C++, debugged, tested, >out the door in 13 months. This was in an embedded system, and had to >be rock solid - no memory leaks, no resources losses of any sort. We >literally couldn't have done it with the constraints we had without >C++. Not to start a language war here, but FreeBSD also offers OO languages that don't require becoming a language lawyer and that have much less buggy free implementations, while still offering everything you mention. Objective-C (standard on FreeBSD base system) and Modula-3 (port) come to mind. Anyone having ununderstood problems with C++ should have a look at these. IMHO, of course :-) Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin_Cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de http://cracauer.cons.org Fax.: +4940 5228536 "As far as I'm concerned, if something is so complicated that you can't ex- plain it in 10 seconds, then it's probably not worth knowing anyway"- Calvin