From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 25 20:16:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E89C31065675 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:16:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpalmer@freebsd.org) Received: from noop.in-addr.com (mail.in-addr.com [IPv6:2001:470:8:162::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6058FC17 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:16:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpalmer@freebsd.org) Received: from gjp by noop.in-addr.com with local (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1LxoIt-0000Vy-2U; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:16:51 -0400 Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:16:50 -0400 From: Gary Palmer To: martes Message-ID: <20090425201650.GC79909@in-addr.com> References: <1240615371.6029.34.camel@localhost> <20090425022227.GB79909@in-addr.com> <0000054941@mail.mgwigglesworth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0000054941@mail.mgwigglesworth.com> Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spamassassin anyone??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:16:52 -0000 On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 01:59:48PM -0400, martes wrote: > Sorry if this seems like a blinded assumption, however, whenever someone asks > about the origin of explicit spam, such as the anti-semetic stuff that was > posting to the list from an obviously mangled header source, someone always > brings up that the lists are not proctared, as if there is not any management > at all, and such obvious garbage is just going to post due to lack of > supervision, or spam protocals... 1) Please do not top post 2) There are only two known methods for dropping 100% of spam 2a) Have a human sit and read every single e-mail and make a judgement call that only a human can do as to the messages legitimacy. I am not aware of any organization anywhere in the world that has managed to get that system to scale to any volume. 2b) Turn off your SMTP server The lists are not *moderated*, other than the -announce lists and freebsd-security-notifications. Most of the lists are open to all posters and not just list members as not everyone who wants to be involved in the project or who uses FreeBSD in some capacity subscribes to the lists. The exception to that is freebsd-security. However do not take the lack of enforcement at the mailing list level as there being no anti-spam measures. There are a variety of A/S measures in place that protect not only the mailing list servers but all freebsd.org e-mail addresses. If you, or anyone else, feels that they could contribute to the defeat of spam on the FreeBSD lists (e.g. by being an active moderator with a long-term commitment to minimising delays in posting caused by the moderation system) then please feel free to offer your services to the postmaster team. Regards, Gary