From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 18:00:02 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD2DC16A41A for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:00:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reedl@tatteredcover.com) Received: from nell.tatteredcover.com (nell.tatteredcover.com [206.124.11.52]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9009013C459 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:00:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reedl@tatteredcover.com) Received: from spender.tatteredcover.com (spender.tatteredcover.com [199.26.174.18]) by nell.tatteredcover.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A4A2F224; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:30:32 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <473B30CF.3030404@tatteredcover.com> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:30:55 -0700 From: Reed Loefgren User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070810) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roland Smith , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <69AF611A-3E27-49B9-A81F-033A94D796E4@khera.org> <20070928232008.K89977@woozle.rinet.ru> <20071114025903.GA72819@duncan.reilly.home> <20071114171227.GA3047@slackbox.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <20071114171227.GA3047@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Progress with usability of AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:00:02 -0000 Roland Smith wrote: > On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 01:59:03PM +1100, Andrew Reilly wrote: > >> On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 11:24:41PM +0400, Dmitry Morozovsky wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007, Vivek Khera wrote: >>> VK> My list of software is purely server stuff; I >>> VK> don't use any FreeBSD desktops. >>> >>> It seems to be the key point here. >>> >>> I'm thinking about giving a try for the following scheme for my development >>> desktop at work: >>> >>> amd64 machine with servers' ports built inside (postgresql-server, >>> apache, etc) with i386 jail with desktop applications (xorg, >>> firefox/nspluginwrappers, MUA, you name it...) >>> >>> ENOTIME so far... >>> >> Utility is definitely a personal variable. I run a FreeBSD-6-stable >> workstation at AMD64 and am more or less happy with it, >> > > My workstation runs amd64 7.0-BETA2. I'm very happy with it. > > >> but I also have >> a MacOS laptop, which I can fall back to for anything that falls out of >> the FreeBSD-amd64 capability bucket, like watching the google >> Android videos on youtube, >> > > There's youtube-dl in ports for downloading youtube videos. You can them > watch them with your favorite media player. > > >> Certainly xorg, firefox (and epiphany, which I prefer) and MUA >> (thunderbird, evolution, mutt, claws-mail(my pref.)) all work >> happily in amd64 mode. >> > > The only desktop related things that one hears a lot about are the Flash > plugin, and the NVidia binary driver. For me those are things that I can > happily live without. I certainly don't miss the annoying Flash ads on > the Web! > > Roland > I too am annoyed by incessant flash ads. But my credit union's online banking login box requires flash as well; which broke not too long ago on my 6STABLE box. I'll get it fixed eventually but in the meantime it bears remembering that not all flash apps are annoying ads or egocentric youtube flicks. r