From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 9 23:34:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ACA71065689 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:34:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yurtesen@ispro.net) Received: from mail.ispro.net (mail.ispro.net [87.251.0.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FFB28FC14 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:34:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yurtesen@ispro.net) Received: (qmail 15155 invoked by uid 399); 9 Oct 2008 23:34:29 -0000 Received: from localhost (127.0.0.1) by localhost with ESMTPM; 9 Oct 2008 23:34:29 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 Received: from a91-152-230-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi (a91-152-230-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi [91.152.230.218]) by mail.ispro.net (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:34:28 +0300 Message-ID: <20081010023428.87556dt18ejyzf48@mail.ispro.net> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:34:28 +0300 From: yurtesen@ispro.net To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, yurtesen@ispro.net, "Shaun Amott" , "Sean Bruno" , "Oliver Fromme" References: <200810091411.m99EB0Vo007538@lurza.secnetix.de> In-Reply-To: <200810091411.m99EB0Vo007538@lurza.secnetix.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 23:45:31 +0000 Cc: Subject: Re: continuous backup solution for FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 23:34:12 -0000 Quoting "Oliver Fromme" : > These features are readily available right now on FreeBSD. > You don't have to code anything. Well with 2 downsides, The fact that I still would need to take full backups once in a while =20 if I do this and Linux users do not have to because the CDP software =20 on Linux does not need to do this. The software expires the old data =20 automatically and you only need a full backup at first run only. The bigger problem is that I have to convert all my filesystems to =20 ZFS. Can one convert UFS2 to ZFS easily even? I dont wanna spend a =20 large part of the year doing such job while Linux users can just do =20 this on 'any' filesystem they use. How am I suppose to compete with =20 companies which use Linux otherwise if I am doing this sort of tasks =20 all the time? Thanks for all the advices but my original question was if somebody =20 can give inside information to a company(for example r1soft) which is =20 writing CDP backup solutions so they could implement such solution on =20 FreeBSD also. Do you know such person? I am not really looking for alternatives because there is none. You =20 cant just expect commercial companies to convert to a new filesystem =20 to add a feature which other OSes manage without going to such =20 measures. Can you imagine the monetary cost if all FreeBSD users had =20 to convert to ZFS (or another filesystem) to take near cdp level =20 backups? This simply would make people think 'I wish I used Linux from =20 the beginning'. Thanks, Evren