From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 1 20:41:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58A66106566C for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:41:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C005C8FC17 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:41:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nB1Kff8Q021624; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:41:52 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk nB1Kff8Q021624 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1259700112; bh=WI4kuRSRj+fL9jiMA4G6o0QuYGytoisfbkceKByTdLY=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4B157F7E.8050601@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20T ue,=2001=20Dec=202009=2020:41:34=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.23=20(X11/20091129)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20yuri@rawbw.com|CC:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.or g|Subject:=20Re:=20Why=20there=20are=20so=20many=20binary=20packag es=20missing?|References:=20<4B1572D7.60700@rawbw.com>|In-Reply-To :=20<4B1572D7.60700@rawbw.com>|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Conten t-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20pro tocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------- -----enigC84AAF456B0C7654CA7F601D"; b=Dcin1q+8+yxRmRJ6KD6Cl0Ace7F5tkRds9IVbw4dd+KkxNlHXE90BhwGa8tuUY9Bd Xje/vQXFkKyjZ9d7jDgRdAF01aVjWpGg9fXdFXe09EosNMCXK/5p2y1xn6uP3+R42J lRd/cWiGUNrbQ4yB6UV+XTiwDJkmCrUmPETLRXRQ= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4B157F7E.8050601@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:41:34 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20091129) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: yuri@rawbw.com References: <4B1572D7.60700@rawbw.com> In-Reply-To: <4B1572D7.60700@rawbw.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigC84AAF456B0C7654CA7F601D" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.3 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why there are so many binary packages missing? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:41:58 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigC84AAF456B0C7654CA7F601D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yuri wrote: > I am seeing this for a long time. If I use 'portupgrade -aPP' (packages= =20 > only) there is a very large percentage of packages missing. > Upgrading becomes many times faster when binary packages available are = > available. Missing binary packages are due in the main to three reasons: * Restrictive licensing terms * Ports that through bugs, or otherwise, fail to successfully generate= a binary package. Some ports (eg. sysutils/screen up until about 2 months ago (http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/sysutils/scr= een/Makefile.diff?r1=3D1.77;r2=3D1.78)) just won't package successfully, even if they build, install and run= perfectly well. * The port has a dependency on another port that failed for reason (2)= =2E =20 Because the ports build cluster installs the dependencies of the por= t it is currently trying to build from binary packages, any lower level p= ort that fails will prevent packages being built for anything that depen= ds on it. Packages may still be built internal to the build cluster and used to ful= fil dependencies although their licensing terms forbid /release/ in compiled = form, so (1) doesn't contribute all that much to (3). An awful lot of work by a great many people goes towards minimizing the e= ffects of (2) and that automatically ameliorates (3). There's always more to do= though, and anyone volunteering their help will be gratefully received. See http://portsmon.freebsd.org/ for a database of the current statuses. (1) depends on the authors of the package changing their licensing polici= es;=20 frequently persuading people to do that is an uphill struggle and often r= equires=20 lobbying by a whole mass of people. Then there are a few oddball packages not built for various other reasons= =2E Eg. building OpenOffice basically ties up too many system resources from the = build cluster for too long, so I believe that it is still the case that it is l= eft to 3rd parties to generate and publish packages. =20 Hmmm.. also, just an afterthought and probably insultingly obvious, but w= here are you fetching the pkgs from? Be aware that the installation media only co= ntain a=20 selection of the most popular packages because there simply isn't space t= o include=20 everything. Go to the FTP sites for a comprehensive service. 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