From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 8 10:49:45 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 141BD10656C0 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 10:49:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E96F8FC26 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 10:49:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (p5B22FE3D.dip.t-dialin.net [91.34.254.61]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id oB8AVNDt029450; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 10:31:24 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oB8AWPS8077538; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 11:32:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oB8AWFhe001184; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 11:32:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201012081032.oB8AWFhe001184@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Polytropon From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Wed, 08 Dec 2010 10:56:15 +0100." <20101208105615.00bc2799.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 11:32:15 +0100 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installer program for FreeBSD-9.0? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 10:49:45 -0000 Polytropon wrote: To: "Julian H. Stacey" I added back lost Cc: questions@freebsd.org > On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 10:46:29 +0100, "Julian H. Stacey" wrote: > > > Allow me a side question, but... what's wrong with ee? (Don't > > > get me wrong, I've been a long-term vi user myself.) > > > > VI has been on BSD since about 1979 or so I recall. > > EE breaks the principle of least surprise. > > But it as an on-top help screen. :-) Each install I do, ee annoys me at inetd.conf. > If I remember correctly, earlier versions of FreeBSD I > did install did have vi as default editor, I don't think so. I recall FreeBSD installer had no screen editor until Jordan looked for one that would fit the install without executable breaking floppy size constraints. But jkh@ was an emacs user by preference, & had more important install issues, so ee was bundled in. I told him very quickly of 2 small vi clones, but too late. With floppy size constraints disappearing, we'll be free to consider options. > even during > installation. The change must have happened sometimes > in the 5.x era. It obsoleted the initial /bin/ed, the > standard editor ("ed is the standard editor"). > > For those who like to use vi, it's still part of the > base installation. At least I hope this won't change, > and also many system utilities pay attention to $EDITOR, > which defaulted to /usr/bin/vi in the past. > > For those who are familiar with FreeBSD, or with UNIX > in general, there is no problem using either vi or ed. > For novice users, ee is definitely the better choice > as it doesn't require them to learn anything prior to > its use, as learning is generally considered "unpleasant" > these days... :-) > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail plain text; Not quoted-printable, or HTML or base 64. Avoid top posting, it cripples itemised cumulative responses.