From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 26 21:12:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E88DF16A4CE for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 21:12:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns9.icdc.com (ns9.icdc.com [208.244.152.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5901343D39 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 21:12:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from csmith@icdc.com) Received: from WAND (pool-151-197-215-211.phil.east.verizon.net [151.197.215.211]) by ns9.icdc.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i4R48oRv021708 for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 00:08:51 -0400 Message-ID: <001601c443a0$f0627830$9b02a8c0@WAND> From: "Chauncey Smith" To: References: <005401c442c1$5ef878c0$9b02a8c0@WAND><1085599837.922.40.camel@ogautherot.og-lan.freesurf.fr> <200405262342.45591.krsr@wp.pl> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 00:13:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Subject: Re: Technical questions and Newbie experience. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 04:12:42 -0000 I have to admit to not falling into either of those groups. I have a back ground in computers and choose Free BSD for my Alpha server. Yea I'm so Geek I got one for Xmas one year. My OS choices.. Leave it win NT or try something new. I only had a little experience with Linux and that was a file and print server that did nothing else on my network.Well DHCP. but my problem was no nice documentation. I found Freebsd. I found the manuals and fiddled with the server. and before I got it up and running I decided I wanted to use the server for other things then just file and print. I"m like it's a 64 bit wide bus. Hey A web server Hey I have this big bootied raid array.. something. So I went on a search for an OS. Linux showed Linux stuff. a bunch of confusing distro's. FreeBSD offered one home for everything. and Ports. install software no /configure just make install clean. Heck one of my first scripts was "port" talk about lazy. I wrote a text file and typed the following lines. !/bin/csh sudo make && make install && make clean && rehash named it port and put it in the /usr/bin chmoded it executable. Now I just got into the ports directory and find what I want and type 'port'. Talk about lazy or insanely genius. But I feel in love with the hand book. I have an old copy in paper. and found the information never gets too old to be a good guide of how to start atleast. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krzysztof Sroka" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 7:42 PM Subject: Re: Technical questions and Newbie experience. > On Wednesday 26 of May 2004 19:30, Olivier Gautherot wrote: > > > That's a good point. There are at least 2 types of newbies: > > > > 1) the "I have 50 years of experience in Solaris and you-name-IX and 5 > > Linux distros and I'm starting with FreeBSD now" on one hand and > > Well, I don't think that people with 50-year experience in *NIXes subscribe to > this group. FreeBSD isn't much different than most of UNIX-based OS'es that > these people need any advice in running all the basic components they want. > At least they know how to find the exact information they need. But in fact > there is a group experienced in Linux'es who need to know little diffs > between deamon and tux, and they are most often redirected to > freebsd-questions. > > > 2) the "my room mate installed FreeBSD on my machine and I have just > > discovered that there is an ON switch on the front panel" on the other > > Oh, these ones shouldn't install FreeBSD at all. They would rather prefer > Mandrake or anything a bit simplier than BSD. After two moths of my own > experience in FBSD I have to admit that not everything is as user-friendly as > in Linux - begining with post-install XFree configuration ending with > handling ports collection and bringing up sound. If someone isn't tought to > read manuals the first months under BSD can be real road through hell for > him/her. > > > Having been a newbie myself a few months ago (with fairly extensive > > Linux background), I acknowledge that, even though the manual is really > > good, it's a thick reading for people switching or simply starting with > > computers (no flame, I don't mean to start a controversy about whether > > FreeBSD is good for a very beginner :-). > > > > What I missed is a "Installation and first steps in FreeBSD in 10 > > lessons". I know there are 1,000 web sites that claim this but I've > > found no short document on the official FreeBSD web site telling you > > where to look for info when you start - I was probably too eager to get > > started... All software products I know have a "Getting started" guide > > so I guess we should have one too (X in VESA mode, no sound, networking > > in DHCP client - and pointers to the manual for 3D graphics support, > > sound servers, firewall, NAT, DHCP server etc.) > > Right. Some simple HOW-TO's would be very helpful. For example a short > introduction to XF86. But many of these can be taken from a large ammount of > Linux guides. Personally, I will start a BSD-guide section as a part of my > weblog and if someone wishes to participate in this, please e-mail me. > > Excuse me for using not-very-good english, but I still need to learn it a bit. > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >