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Date:      Sat, 17 Feb 2001 02:50:13 -0800
From:      Jordan Hubbard <jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com>
To:        Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>
Cc:        Mark Murray <mark@grondar.za>, arch@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Moving Things [was Re: List of things to move from main tree] 
Message-ID:  <2896.982407013@winston.osd.bsdi.com>
In-Reply-To: Message from Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>  of "Sat, 17 Feb 2001 02:41:39 PST." <20010217024139.A84171@mollari.cthul.hu> 

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> I think a lot of good things will become easy once we finally get an
> installer which is capable of treating packages on the same footing as
> source code distributions.  That is the root of our problems, and
> until it goes away I can't see much being fixed.

Well, I think that's true in some sense but also represents putting
the cart before the horse if you take this point too literally.  The
problem really isn't in the installer since the list of choices it
presents simply reflect the degree of "componentization" already in
the system, and much of what sysinstall currently does by way of
adding packages is just a front-end interface to the functionality
provided by pkg_add.  The installer is supposed to be little more than
a fancy wrapper, not a major instrument of policy.

To put it another way, if you create a clean organizational structure
with the appropriate XML metadata describing it (vs our very
simplistic INDEX type of information now) then the installer WILL
treat the packages and source code/binary distributions exactly the
same because the underlying framework it depends on will see no
distinction itself.  The actual UI work in building menus and list
boxes out of the index information provided is pretty trivial by
comparison.

> Has there been any progress from BSDi about this?  ISTR some of your
> guys were working on it.

They're actually working on the update mechanism, though by "they" I
should also say "he" since I lost half the team when it went back to
college. :)

- Jordan


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