From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Aug 23 09:54:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA10310 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:54:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10297 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA07194; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:44:31 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:44:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199608231644.KAA07194@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: Terry Lambert Cc: didier@omnix.fr.org, nate@mt.sri.com, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: JDK 1.02 In-Reply-To: <199608231630.JAA15888@phaeton.artisoft.com> References: <199608231630.JAA15888@phaeton.artisoft.com> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Sun is no longer 'open' about Java now that they've got enough mindshare > > > to keep momentum going. It's a pretty cheap way of doing business by > > > first promising openness and then renigging on it, but it's only too > > > common in business nowadays. > > I haven't seen this, but if true, it won't last. Mindshare is inversely > proportional to proprietership. Look at the UNIX successes: TCP/IP, > X, etc.. All of them are from freely available technology that the > vendors could standardize without licensing fees or "baseball card" > trading (cross-licensing to get into a clique, a favorite of the UNIX > market in the past). Look at the mindshare M$ has. It is *inversely* proportional to it's open-ness. Sun is just taking a card from M$'s deck and using it to it's full advantage. Java is here to stay whether we like it or not (as simply as Win32 is *the* current standard for business applications, like it or not). My opinions aside, Sun is doing what's best for Sun in keeping Java proprietary and selling off it's name/technology to other vendors in exchange for money/favors. However, on the bright side it's popularity has caused the folks who build the PC build tools to give usable build environments (Symantec's Cafe', M$'s VJ++, etc..). Sun has *yet* to come up with a usable IDE for doing java development, and they own the technology. :( Nate