From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sun May 19 16:50:02 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C4F15B2769 for ; Sun, 19 May 2019 16:50:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-qt1-x829.google.com (mail-qt1-x829.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::829]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 969EA6BF3D for ; Sun, 19 May 2019 16:50:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-qt1-x829.google.com with SMTP id y22so13656074qtn.8 for ; Sun, 19 May 2019 09:50:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Sd5JmVFrWO6y+NRb/liYKd2qLcKFewA5BwQy5tjjs/Q=; b=vDc98un/Z0zgAlZJTI3P1vgECu/J8u1j2bBAP2Ga/gMqoQxKxokOCE604bx4wFBoG5 UjM8BIutWtoJIytdkeLICDpiYH1trFyOzYNqcWbShG5xi7sTnVa1REzjFGxdGocNyz4P 4LyCYDmTIrxsRyggDAPuLrRgafiqiz7EZxFqmvjX/fxSO4AHMNvmfjZ/HZrp9mQLJIlA hG/wDpmrFN9VMLIlQUzkjvBd6hqF8ar1HElp84tZ8Ygx1nw+giVNCa8mil8SGcLink+s ojjy01mogGaMbp3QqZvKTn0J3+7/Iv4LJGmibGmpG166AZ2eznTYzsOeZEF7rZPF6JwE nm0A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Sd5JmVFrWO6y+NRb/liYKd2qLcKFewA5BwQy5tjjs/Q=; b=EDdO65u3JrLTB9P0XzVSiSiSnsMmlrjvv07DuyLOR2eKN6zLeOCZQkxdsIXPSk5FW3 jyOeMJW2IrpPEJdcwOFn3HpHKgtugakMjutPqZH5shleHMx1Y4XuY7BqgIFskF0Dv6ij A8zi1iW/YhTtp9gJoaLjWaIulgIGor35n0RRk1G9XvORvLGvL3kfDfEZlH/Ngj1eJ65Q QiCkya4pSt19HbOYGmBFWm7x2c4XOzgVOKeVIW1u1JBEpxdgobQ1Omn5MVZoqwRSmFxL tPG959KQdj4Sjb7oKjq5oe0gDdLr2eVGXCFlFhBMza49MEZ6L86peFn5Ai0vu9HsU+gr f3yA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAX7SVLjbUUfjFKLDgzM4G/544m/HxnsjuqeqamvG2Qszfb+PaLx bGLnK7Y384yexRWFdetesv5xcFx8DprSTu2okzXCZQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxJHxu9qNzFoT7nxkG2kaT+tHMWfn50+7WjR+NvY1IVYNB0XKXZvuSAqrbGQBvT87URAmpCMW25KA1aUHE7S6Q= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:9562:: with SMTP id m31mr38948694qvm.27.1558284600680; Sun, 19 May 2019 09:50:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <868svf6r05.fsf@phe.ftfl.ca> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 10:49:48 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD Core Team Response to Controversial Social Media Posts To: Graham Perrin Cc: FreeBSD Current X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 969EA6BF3D X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=vDc98un/ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.96 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsdimp.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: ALT1.aspmx.l.google.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[9.2.8.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.960,0]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; IP_SCORE(-2.99)[ip: (-9.38), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.26), asn: 15169(-2.27), country: US(-0.06)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 16:50:02 -0000 On Sun, May 19, 2019, 10:25 AM Graham Perrin wrote= : > I know, it's not appropriate to find fun in a serious discussion, but > these six words did make me chuckle: > > > =E2=80=A6 freedom of expression =E2=80=A6 End of discussion. > > No offence intended. I was speed-reading (waiting for a browser to > launch) and those six words leapt out at me :-) > Yes. There will always be limits, just like in real life. You can't tell fire in a theater, and claim freedom of expression, for example. FreeBSD is also an international group and while we share many norms, there are also surprising differences in them or in the extent to which people think our community norms should be policed in contexts only tangentially related to the project. It's really quite a thorny problem to craft a response to that is both meaningful and would enjoy the support of most of this diverse community in whose name the response is created. Warner Wishing you all a peaceful end to the weekend, > Graham > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " >