From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Jul 6 14:17:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.naviant.com (mail.naviant.com [207.106.77.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E227614E0F for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 14:17:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lgriffin@naviant.com) Received: from plato ([207.245.86.222]) by mail.naviant.com (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id RAA03287 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:17:11 -0400 (envelope-from lgriffin@naviant.com) From: "Lyndon Griffin" To: Subject: RE: Read this... Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:19:51 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bec7f5$48dc3aa0$de01020a@naviant.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19981210011112.EMA26585.fep01-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It's the return of the POST FROM HELL!!!!! > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 9:14 PM > To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Read this... > > > > > > Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > > Will someone with more courage and experiance than I please > speak up about > > > this, perhaps contact sun? > > > > > Please _don't_ ask Sun for anything until you have a working port on > > limited hardware. I doubt that anyone following this list would be > > prepared to spend $$$ based on what has been said so far. Those people > > who have access to Sun machines should be able to do a port with neither > > financial nor moral support from Sun. If you want this sort of support, > > you have to earn it. > > Let me explain the meaning of the word "support" from my personal > point of > view: > > 1) I haven't any Sun Hardware. I'm a student and I cannot pay > 3000$ for a Sun > Ultra5, only to "play" with it. I would have an AXi motherboard (good for > experiments) but it costs too much. So, for the hardware I would > have something > like 50% of the price (no free hardware, at actual stage). Why > Sun could give > me/us this: I have not 3000$, and actually there are few persons > with an Ultra > box, so _if_ Sun wants more developers on this project they must > help in some > way. This is the situation it's not "charity"... Please note also > the word > "Open" also means: I can buy it for a good price. > > 2) Docs, pdf and other things.... On Intel you can find > _anything_ about "how > it boots", "how it works", books and docs. If you go in a > bookstore you can > find many books about "everything". Not the same situation on Sparc. > So again: "Open" means I can read "how it works" without paying 500$... > > 3) Moral support. Actually, if Sun (SME) will put something > on-line about the > harware we can do a good job (something that works/boots on > limited hardware) > with no moral support. We can do experiments where "I don't know > how it works" > and read where "it's documented at page..." > > Thanks for youe time 8) > > > > Ciao Ciao > Paolo Di Francesco > _ > ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... > ~ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message