From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sat Apr 13 18:00:03 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455EA157EED2 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2019 18:00:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.76.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "troutmask", Issuer "troutmask" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 58F4F8C051 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2019 18:00:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x3DHxsOF030019 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 13 Apr 2019 10:59:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id x3DHxsnj030018; Sat, 13 Apr 2019 10:59:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sgk) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2019 10:59:54 -0700 From: Steve Kargl To: Roger Marquis Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ports/lang major version updates outside of OS version updates Message-ID: <20190413175954.GA29960@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Reply-To: sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.11.2 (2019-01-07) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 58F4F8C051 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.42 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.47)[-0.466,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.82)[0.822,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.63)[-0.632,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[washington.edu]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[21.76.95.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.11.2]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[troutmask.apl.washington.edu]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:73, ipnet:128.95.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.01)[ip: (0.08), ipnet: 128.95.0.0/16(0.08), asn: 73(-0.05), country: US(-0.06)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2019 18:00:03 -0000 On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 07:35:25AM -0700, Roger Marquis wrote: > >> On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 11:18:50PM +0200, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > >>> So there is more "software bureaucracy" here than just applying one patch. > > You sure about that Dima? Whether one or several the patching doesn't > appear to be complicated or difficult to maintain. > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 02:58:22PM -0700, Steve Kargl wrote: > > For those people following along in the mailing list, Dima > > sent me a private reply that took this thread off the list. > > I am done trying to help fix the python ports. > > Thanks for the good work Steve. > > Many of us are still wondering why this change was made outside of a > major OS version update. Wouldn't that have prevented the build bug > which started this thread? > > Considering the incompatibilities between python 2.X and 3.x (which > Guido has admitted was a mistake) please consider this a ports policy > request to require significant lang/* version updates be predicated on > equally significant OS version updates. > My patches have absolutely nothing to do with making 3.6 the default python version. I have added functions to libm that are included in two ISO standards. This causes a name conflict with sinpi() in python. My patches trivially rename python's sinpi() to avoid the conflict. For some reason beyond the comprehension of mortal man, python@freebsd refuses to add the patches to the port. -- Steve