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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id v34sm17378701yhn.26.2013.05.17.06.15.36 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 17 May 2013 06:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3bBqkH3RSpz2CG5l for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 09:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 09:15:35 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: List Spam Filtering Message-ID: <20130517091535.03fd7442@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20130517140301.38d772cc@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <201305110134.r4B1Yl8q089784@fire.js.berklix.net> <5195582D.10404@cran.org.uk> <20130517064233.7d34e4cf@scorpio> <51961A75.6060605@cran.org.uk> <20130517131932.03450167@gumby.homeunix.com> <20130517084529.57f67259@scorpio> <20130517140301.38d772cc@gumby.homeunix.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.1 (GTK+ 2.24.17; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnE6rbqJz0j2PqL0HqApzjcLZWuwvjvXABJXOU+rvxxDfwXfVEScPx7ZXAzGpCI2SuJpOfT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 13:23:03 -0000 On Fri, 17 May 2013 14:03:01 +0100 RW articulated: > On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:45:29 -0400 > Jerry wrote: > > > On Fri, 17 May 2013 13:19:32 +0100 > > RW articulated: > > > > > On Fri, 17 May 2013 12:54:29 +0100 > > > Bruce Cran wrote: > > > > > > > Yes, seriously. Have you seen the number of people who post > > > > messages "PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS MAILING LIST!!", apparently > > > > not understanding how to manage their subscription? > > > > > > There's also the likelyhood that reluctant subscribers are less > > > likely to take care about avoiding various types of backscatter. > > > > Well, unless the reluctant subscriber is running an incorrectly > > configured MTA, I don't see a problem with "backscatter". Now, if > > they do have a maladjusted MTA, they have more problems then just > > subscribing to a list. > > Out of Office replies, sieve rejects, anti-spam challenges etc Yes, an incorrectly configured MTA or one of its milters. There are ways to deal with these assholes. Allowing a blanket "open-door" policy is like setting file permissions on everything to 0777 just because you are to lazy to find a correct solution to a problem. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. 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