Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 08:06:40 -0400 From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk <m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com> To: Erich Dollansky <erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Matthew Seaman <matthew@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: About FreeBSD.org visitors Message-ID: <CAOgwaMuoHn7=7DHrhU%2BdiG1-2xQi20AkrNexfqFGCXDjhsJmcg@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20131006190053.5757ef0a@X220.ovitrap.com> References: <CAF6rxgmZL7-kagQ=Sed_cPsgwCV4YxxWTErQ0UAFbh_DpRnZ=Q@mail.gmail.com> <201310031535.r93FZ6D1095088@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20131003153825.GB1581@oldfaithful.bebik.local> <5250BA2E.3030409@FreeBSD.org> <20131006102955.4191e4a4@X220.ovitrap.com> <CAF6rxgnBQ1QmAVxquQJbZJR8xT5dx1avedPJfNZRy2xHcY1yuA@mail.gmail.com> <20131006120117.183b20ce@X220.ovitrap.com> <5251094E.2030800@FreeBSD.org> <20131006154515.01c14ded@X220.ovitrap.com> <CAOgwaMuh9iAQtoZ=xtm89XS9TmiHNNOBwCsxafeLrkZTR829uw@mail.gmail.com> <20131006190053.5757ef0a@X220.ovitrap.com>
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On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 7:00 AM, Erich Dollansky <erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com > wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 6 Oct 2013 05:06:02 -0400 > Mehmet Erol Sanliturk <m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:45 AM, Erich Dollansky > > <erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com > > > wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 07:55:10 +0100 > > > Matthew Seaman <matthew@FreeBSD.org> wrote: > > > > > > > On 06/10/2013 05:01, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > > > this type is called 'design'. As an engineer I do the software > > > > > behind an website but I do not dare to make the design. Ok, I > > > > > tell the designer, when I think the design could be improved > > > > > but I do not dare th change it myself. > > > > > > > > The trick is to realise that site design is simply another form of > > > > engineering, albeint with rather different contexts and > > > > constraints than writing software. > > > > > > > > Writing a website so that the users can interact with it readily, > > > > find and understand what they wat, avoid frustration and have a > > > > pleasant overall experience is conceptually much the same sort of > > > > thing as writing a website so it doesn't hog server resources or > > > > continually fail ungracefully or have a badly indexed sub-optimal > > > > database schema. Basically you want it to do it's job efficiently > > > > and smoothly, whether 'it' is the back-end server code, or the > > > > on-screen presentation. > > > > > > > > Granted, optimizing sites for human interaction is a whole > > > > different skill set, but it's not some holy task that only some > > > > annointed designer with the mandate of heaven can undertake. > > > > > > yes, it is not rocket science but - as you said - a different skill > > > set. > > > > > > Erich > > > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_engineering > > > > The first sentence : > > > > *Software engineering* (*SE*) is the application of a systematic, > > this is the mistake made here. We - at least me - talk about this: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communication_design > > Nobody mentioned the software behind. Only the search function is > mentioned very often as being behind current standards. > > Erich > > > disciplined, quantifiable approach to the design, development, > > operation, and maintenance of software > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software>, and the study of these > > approaches; that is, the application of > > engineering<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineering>to > > software.< > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_engineering#cite_note-BoDu04-1>; > > > > > > Thank you very much . > > > > Mehmet Erol Sanliturk > > I think , actual problem for FreeBSD Documentation ( including web pages ) is : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_interface All of the other aspects are related to this subject . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
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