From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sun Apr 12 00:47:25 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72DCC2A8D97 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 00:47:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 490Cl04D7wz4M2F; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 00:47:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id 03C0lM87025091; Sat, 11 Apr 2020 17:47:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd-rwg@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id 03C0lMJB025090; Sat, 11 Apr 2020 17:47:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <202004120047.03C0lMJB025090@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Ars Technica article on FreeBSD new user experience In-Reply-To: <20200411224807.GA27470@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> To: sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 17:47:22 -0700 (PDT) CC: Enji Cooper , Kyle Evans , John-Mark Gurney , FreeBSD Hackers X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 490Cl04D7wz4M2F X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net has no SPF policy when checking 69.59.192.140) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.32 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.41)[-0.414,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.03)[ip: (0.13), ipnet: 69.59.192.0/19(0.06), asn: 13868(0.03), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dnsmgr.net]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.20)[-0.204,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13868, ipnet:69.59.192.0/19, country:US]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 00:47:25 -0000 [ Charset UTF-8 unsupported, converting... ] > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 02:32:36PM -0700, Enji Cooper wrote: > > > > Given that the only other base system shell option is csh, I opt out of both and always install bash (I haven?t quite jumped on the zsh train yet). > > Thanks, > > tcsh != csh :-) Pretty close, and if we had a few more proper setup tweaks it would be harder to tell. I add these to /etc/csh.cshrc on all systems to bring it a bit closer: unset addsuffix bindkey ^[ complete-word -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org