From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 15 12:50:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA9D0106564A for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:50:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@umich.edu) Received: from tombraider.mr.itd.umich.edu (smtp.mail.umich.edu [141.211.12.86]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F928FC0A for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:50:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: FROM itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu (itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu [141.213.135.249]) By tombraider.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 4E71F49C.D6381.10634 ; Authuser web; 15 Sep 2011 08:50:36 EDT Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:50:36 -0400 From: William Bulley To: Jakub Lach Message-ID: <20110915125036.GD19017@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Jakub Lach , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Thinkpad audio question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:50:38 -0000 According to Jakub Lach on Wed, 09/14/11 at 23:11: > > It was mav (Alexander Motin), he proposed those hints > after I complained that sound stopped working after > update. He wondered how I got sound to work > in the first place, with hints I had previously. I would have wondered the same. The question that remains to be answered is: how did mav (Alexander Motin) suss out the details of how to do this in the first place? :-) > I don't think pushing those specific hints somewhere > would be so beneficial, subtle hardware revision could > change pin associations. (e.g. Your friend's T500?) True, but it might give someone an idea of where to start looking... > I don't think man page is missing something, it's > verbose and exhaustive, with 4 examples of hints > for various purposes. (The truth is out there! heh.) We can agree to disagree, perhaps. The man page is complete, I agree, but it isn't a great read for a user who doesn't understand audio hardware, has never dealt with anything other than stereo speakers and stereo headphones (with or without microphone). The four (4!) examples all refer to the one (1!) HP Compaq system. And these explanations don't give a good description of the connection between "AS", "NID", "SEQ", etc. That is, there are examples there, but the explainations assume that the reader knows more about the underlying hardware and how audio systems and chips work in general than is likely the case for most users with laptops using the snd_hda(4) driver supported hardware. I hope that run-on sentence is comprehensible to folks... :-) > The problem is, most people don't want (or don't > know they need) to swap line-out and speaker > functions, to split headphones and mic to separate > device etc. This is completly true - I agree wholeheartedly with this. > They do not know why default pinout is not working > as it should, and what they should change. Yep. > They just want to have headphones and speakers > working as intended :) Well, d'oh! :-) > But I'm afraid this can't be directly addressed, as > possibilities of default wrong pin associations are > "endless". Sadly, I must agree with you here also, sigh... :-( > If you think otherwise you are free to submit PR > as well :) I am going to submit a PR (when I learn how from the handbook), but not to suggest new text or wording. Rather, I will make suggestions of areas that could be improved for readability and understanding. > best regards, > - Jakub Lach > > PS. I suspected that If by chance my device.hints > will "just work", the "pedantic engineer" in > you would be silenced somehow :P Well, then you don't know me very well then, do you?? ;^) Regards, web... -- William Bulley Email: web@umich.edu 72 characters width template ----------------------------------------->|