From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 20 11:44:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A81C262B for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:44:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm2-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm2-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D6B7D129 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [77.238.189.57] by nm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2013 11:44:11 -0000 Received: from [217.146.188.166] by tm10.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2013 11:44:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp134.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2013 11:44:11 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1363779851; bh=OxF4BPZD5UZMcy6ExILT1oE1hSHdK2PkKgkMLb5ly6I=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DABuoXGKf/Hltj8XzJ7mJlUSXbSn0ZodLcYAcg/UCgLVkqL5WhAWwxAJi0+9OWyfr8f0YsfPzDcGmPsSF5ytL+eNUORiI8stljjZwwciIlI1uuiTWUUjPeakFe6aibpJziebt6nsGR+qqqXlVMYAo9mPsjJIBzNoAc2shkxR6jU= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 341186.59904.bm@smtp134.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: DPIXR1QVM1ksjBG2umFK2DQW8ufHg3flWGYKSDWgs6yBHnD EwHx3P9mAZB9oq5XWFS45P6PIHqAHSWzUZZHHyUuT8hrA_eeBaWUkIzCkMzT nhz.LSSN8S.euUSCgLsZGplLu99xZMEj1zh3A6K3hzaIuWV5aFkcIbGD..3a 2qKyXi84PPXF11CYdxqfNmTfXc0BL8VC8NF8I7eh4ceuCRabWqgFvFZ57FO9 NUwgjpPXzu_tKl4.7uOLOZUW9I_d0gtEiBm7d40gE2W6zUXKvkQp06T_SkjD 0wYW5xxFVvs6_PYyoPxReSE._pLtsNqgF2f1bstVlzctmjpDJ6qI_3lhe7BW gZO33sPTLyPL6SJumn6WCMelxynNEYcHr5GEHlTg0OzQgYWBlLQfn9M0RJi6 Ml1zpBFnp2zfMvXg67s3xjWVWK7atPv7TrgWvKg-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- X-Rocket-Received: from [85.182.18.108] (ralf.mardorf@85.182.18.108 with login) by smtp134.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2013 04:44:11 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <1363779850.586.86.camel@archlinux> Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: snd_envy24{,ht} recording support? From: Ralf Mardorf To: Tom Evans Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 12:44:10 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <20130313215327.d4d84624ddc07ca07b83a879@yamagi.org> <20130320085207.b21d890c59babbeea0431da9@yamagi.org> <1363767755.586.32.camel@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:44:18 -0000 On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 11:30 +0000, Tom Evans wrote: > On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Ralf Mardorf > wrote: > > On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 08:52 +0100, Yamagi Burmeister wrote: > >> On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 15:19:59 +0100 > >> David Demelier wrote: > >> > >> The need for high end add > >> in sound cards is much lower than 10 years ago. > > > > That's not true, if you want to replace your HiFi gear by a computer, > > you need a good sound card too, that anyway, will be less expensive than > > good HiFi gear. _All_ on-board devices are crap! > > Well, digital data either works without corruption or doesn't work. > > You can spend as much money on a sound card as you like, but if the > sound card is only outputting digital data over SPDIF to a separate > DAC, then there is no difference between the cheapest card and the > most expensive card, both would sound identical. I don't like consumer SPDIF, but this is OT now, indeed I'm thinking of analog IOs. So I'll rephrase my claim: Analog IOs and D/A, A/D converters of _all_ on-board devices are crap! Yes, if SPDIF should work, it should be without loss, even for those on-board devices. There anyway could be quality issues, but that also could happen with professional gear.