From owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 15 17:56:52 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84EAE16A46B; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:56:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [130.225.244.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A092713C458; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:56:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (unknown [192.168.61.3]) by phk.freebsd.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id A925C17105; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:56:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9FHuj5i001289; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:56:45 GMT (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Alexander Leidinger From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:36:58 +0200." <20071015193658.138fc9a5@deskjail> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:56:45 +0000 Message-ID: <1288.1192471005@critter.freebsd.dk> Sender: phk@critter.freebsd.dk Cc: Scott Long , src-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-src@FreeBSD.org, Joao Barros , cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, Wilko Bulte Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc Makefile sensorsd.conf src/etc/defaults rc.conf src/etc/rc.d Makefile sensorsd src/lib/libc/gen sysctl.3 src/sbin/sysctl sysctl.8 sysctl.c src/share/man/man5 rc.conf.5 src/share/man/man9 Makefile sensor_attach.9 src/sys/conf f X-BeenThere: cvs-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the entire tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:56:52 -0000 In message <20071015193658.138fc9a5@deskjail>, Alexander Leidinger writes: >> As has been discussed in various forums recently, this OpenBSD sensors >> stuff has been proceeding with little developer buy-in or discussion, > >Wait please. It was on the ides list before the soc and during the soc. >There where links to an overview and to source files. And several >committers voted in the Google soc interface for this framework (else >another project would have been chosen instead). >[...] >I may be wrong, but I think Poul was also one of the people with voting >rights and as far as I remember I didn't voted against the sensors >framework (can probably be checked in the google webinterface for the >soc). Just because something is a good SoC project doesn't mean that it should end up in -current. SoC has en entirely different profile, and my vote or non-vote in one, is no reflection on my opinion on the other. >> and the developer input that has happened has largely been ignored. So > >Sorry, but this is not true. Poul objected before, yes. We started to >talk with him, and then he stopped talking with us. You never have, and still do not, address the central objection I have to this stuff: it's basic premise. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.