From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 07:41:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD0216A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:41:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp07.web.de (smtp07.web.de [217.72.192.225]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01BB243D53 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:41:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nakal@web.de) Received: from [217.225.236.137] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by smtp07.web.de with esmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (WEB.DE 4.103 #192) id 1CyQ0D-0003mb-00; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 08:41:42 +0100 From: Martin To: Kris Kennaway In-Reply-To: <20050208040642.GA37528@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20050208034855.D211E43D45@mx1.FreeBSD.org> <20050208040642.GA37528@xor.obsecurity.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 08:41:39 +0100 Message-Id: <1107848499.815.30.camel@klotz.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nakal@web.de X-Sender: nakal@web.de X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:04:58 +0000 cc: FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: Yet another sysinstall thread X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 07:41:43 -0000 Am Montag, den 07.02.2005, 20:06 -0800 schrieb Kris Kennaway: > Fine, yeah, sysinstall sucks, but writing emails proposing > specifications for how someone else should implement a replacement > isn't going to get that job done. Thousands of words have been > written on that topic over the years, but precious little code. I've been trying to port one of my framebuffer-based linux applications, but I ran into problem with VESA-support on the terminal (inconsistent? incomplete?) and after even the simpliest VGA-based (320x200) apps failed to execute leaving me hanging in graphics mode and panic()ing, I gave up. This was my experience with libvgl last year. When I wrote to this list last year, someone suggested to take a look at KGI4BSD. That's of course nice, but to start programming something, it would be nice to have the feeling that you have everything you need in the base distribution. And btw, I don't see KGI4BSD supporting VESA which I would prefer in the first step, because every VGA-card has got this interface and you don't need acceleration when developing simple applications. KGI4BSD seems to support Matrox- and ATI-only cards which I don't have here. I'm waiting for KGI4BSD to extend the driver support and to merge the code into -CURRENT. The people have a good idea there, but the project is moving slowly. Unfortunatelly, I cannot help with kernel development, because of lack of experience. It would be nice to see more effort and more developers working at this project. It is a piece of work to write a small widget toolkit and when you you run into trouble with basic things, it is no fun anymore. Martin