From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 26 09:01:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0BE41065670 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:01:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reddvinylene@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685D08FC20 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:01:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reddvinylene@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id h3so1015734nfh.33 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:01:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=b81IHTUcFfkA5nBNffxqzmSBbiQQMknEv4NfI8P0z8k=; b=kmY3VW/6A2TFS7kkBsgo0lDLlqEJ/1Lbf7y17oInG5iHftLqqIOVBnJ4xackbPi3GD 1wxHO20m8EppNj0plue9d8t+wV+m3opxwvLTTxip7J3qd2XjKpkKPk9GEauXgr/cZ4Sx iniXy8Wwu7mdeyPT1g+kghAe5d5HLeUXGj5OM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=lLRx/9jj6XAkQvzSU8KeSwuuR+zdEIAQ3SYtrEXnGLWBZkp+lVqzqUhmQLVYcCX5gY THsr5FlbahuAicSUwmK6lOImX++LsJhMI5Huc/+G1HHHRS+EWKxK0HvztiroHSxb5xrz FcGZJINx0iTVVkBWMHFETc/XSN8JzRxYaLP9Y= Received: by 10.187.168.15 with SMTP id v15mr449747fao.100.1219741263567; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.187.205.5 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:01:03 +0200 From: "Redd Vinylene" To: "Giorgos Keramidas" , questions@freebsd.org, bugs@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <87abf487wg.fsf@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <87abf487wg.fsf@kobe.laptop> Cc: Subject: Re: I can't make world without the "games" group? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:01:08 -0000 On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:31:22 +0200, "Redd Vinylene" wrote: >> Why can't I make world without the "games" group? I run a serious >> server, not a kindergarten ;) >> >> I don't want the games group there, I just don't need it! > > Have you tried building with an src.conf file that includes: > > WITHOUT_GAMES='yes' > > It' not a matter of `kindergarten or not', but a matter of providing a > predictable `base system' by default and all the knob and documentation > to customize it at will. That's why you can find a lot of customization > options in the manpage of src.conf(5). > > For example, on a `production server' that is a bit limited in space, > and doesn't really need compilers, debuggers, profiling tools, or three > different firewalls, I would probably build with: > > WITHOUT_CVS=yes > WITHOUT_GAMES='yes' > WITHOUT_GCOV=yes > WITHOUT_GDB=yes > WITHOUT_IPFILTER=yes > WITHOUT_IPX=yes > WITHOUT_OBJC=yes > WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes > WITHOUT_SHAREDOCS=yes > > I would also use WITHOUT_TOOLCHAIN=yes during `make installworld' runs, > to skip installing all the gcc, g++ and debugger tools. > > The default `base system' still installs all these parts, but you are > definitely *not* obliged to always install all of them. > > - Giorgos > > Hello hello! Yeah I actually tried that, but I got the same error. I don't see why the FreeBSD team has to insist on keeping this, pardon my language, bullshit. If some sorry guy actually needs this, why can't he load it as a module, or install a port? To quote some Frenchman: "Perfection is achieved, not when there's nothing left to add, but when there's nothing left to take away." I worry slightly as I watch FreeBSD become bigger and bigger, fearing that some day it'll all come tumbling down! -- http://www.home.no/reddvinylene