From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jan 27 18:37:24 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E40414B7F21 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 18:37:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C579076786 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 18:37:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1548614244; x=1551206244; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=cWqtegokI72ovB1/EZim3on7TcRO0oQIgOQW3b8X5oU=; b=OGvhKvC94mL2wLjg6JPMWAlMotaerjdWwCyzlNN5lSv7zNx1raZ65H6oJw8ELHZ5Vd1X6PiPL7feXq37Q9sNfW5/Ko3DQnSB4kskzN2Y0tvnAYH8AoU0nNOOjURDpNcCYoAcmXcRSVMmNUfJ3TVEgwfmTdxLyasHwCt10MbeFhk= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xYTMwMDAwMDE3OTY1NzYuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r3.sg.in.socketlabs.com (r3.sg.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.179.13]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 13:37:11 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r3.sg.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 27 Jan 2019 13:37:10 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gnpIq-000GUD-KC for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 18:37:08 +0000 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 18:37:08 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wireless interface Message-Id: <20190127183708.4fe3a2e8eb11a8b224d73ef2@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <23629.62237.774384.921659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <23629.62237.774384.921659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C579076786 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=OGvhKvC9; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.21 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mxbh.socketlabs.com,mxbsg.socketlabs.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.01)[-0.012,0]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; IP_SCORE(-0.23)[ip: (-0.57), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(-0.28), asn: 7381(-0.22), country: US(-0.08)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.96)[-0.961,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.993,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 18:37:24 -0000 On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 13:06:21 -0500 Robert Huff wrote: > > Valeri Galtsev writes: > > > As one clever man said, you will pay, one way or another. With MS > > Windows system you will pay money for using it. You will also pay > > money for using 3rd party software - antivirus. MS is the only > > system vendor I know of who explicitly tells you it is not safe to > > use their system without 3rd party software (antivirus). > > A "free for personal use" edition of one of the well-known > antivirus products was the first thing I installed on my Windows 10 > systen after the OS itself. Elapsed time less then five minutes, and > it auto-updates. ISTR reading a claim that the average time to infect an unprotected Windows machine directly connected with an unfiltered public IP address was rather less than that. Paranoid people (like many IT departments) set up PCs with standardised images (with preconfigured firewalls, antivirus etc.) on an isolated network containing only the bootstrapping service - really paranoid people set them up by preparing a hard disc in such an environment and installing it in the PC before it's ever connected to the internet. > While this system sits behind a FreeBSD gateway that provides > limited firewall/anti-virus protection, it's been running for over a That provides quite a lot if the rest of the LAN is known to be clean. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith