Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 16:25:17 +0000 (UTC) From: Paul Pathiakis <pathiaki2@yahoo.com> To: "@lbutlr" <kremels@kreme.com>, Valeri Galtsev <galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu> Cc: FreeBSD <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life Message-ID: <1272310515.4633961.1582043117362@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <05112EEC-7FA3-4E18-974B-263A58058E01@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <CAFYkXjmZi1-MB6W0HsMx9gHek7Xg5heoSKKWkNTnw74dxRTwAw@mail.gmail.com> <85E7C97E-EF8B-4FC7-8EF1-758B7BCBAE90@kreme.com> <05112EEC-7FA3-4E18-974B-263A58058E01@kicp.uchicago.edu>
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Hi,
And, as an alternative to my personal workstations running FreeBSD with KDE=
, my middle-aged gf and her 85 yo mother are running GhostBSD which are rea=
lly quite nice.
Also, I'm someone who fully supports the 4 minor rev (please can we stop th=
e .4 release on a major rev?) on a version.=C2=A0 It is the only way to kee=
p moving forward with the speed of things being developed in the industry.=
=C2=A0 Although I totally disagree with Agile (as do its authors), I do bel=
ieve that the traditional, software engineering practice of project plan, p=
roject items, engineering, qa/test, and release works quite well.
It allows to have a major underpinning, version like 12, and go forward wit=
h stable, incremental enhancements and bug-fixes.=C2=A0 Personally, all the=
crazy things like Waterfall, Agile etc are just bandages for lack of commu=
nication between engineering and operations in most corporations.=C2=A0 I'v=
e always been amazed that I can take a <version>.0 and run it.=C2=A0 I've n=
ever seen anything like that in the Linux Kernel or a MS Windows release.
I tend to think of a Version from start to finish to be <VERSION>.0 to <VER=
SION>.{3,4}..... In FreeBSD, that's upwards of 4-5 years.=C2=A0 To not upgr=
ade from a minor version to the next is to say "I'm not going to do mainten=
ance and you can't make me".=C2=A0 It's shortsighted and not proper system =
administration.
My $0.02,
Paul
On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 9:27:59 AM EST, Valeri Galtsev <galtsev@=
kicp.uchicago.edu> wrote: =20
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> On Feb 18, 2020, at 5:00 AM, @lbutlr <kremels@kreme.com> wrote:
>=20
> On 17 Feb 2020, at 20:23, Tomasz CEDRO <tomek@cedro.info> wrote:
>> Why so short End-Of-Life? Why so many fast and short releases? What for?
>=20
> This was vcovered a few years ago (well, =E2=80=9Cfew=E2=80=9D when the n=
ew timelines were being discussed.
>=20
>> What was wrong with having one well tested stable system for a long time=
?
>=20
> The need to ensure systems are running secure software and are not trivia=
lly exploitable.
>=20
>> FreeBSD does not seem to be reliable desktop environment
>=20
> True for ever non-Apple Unix variant. Most (that is to say nearly all) Fr=
eeBSD installs are non0desktop servers.
>=20
I have workstation (desktop) running FreeBSD. One of the systems my Laptop =
runs is FreeBSD as well. Nothing unreliable about both. And from what is sa=
id on this list, I=E2=80=99m not the only one.
Valeri
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> I WILL NOT CARVE GODS Bart chalkboard Ep. 8F11
>=20
>=20
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On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 10:14:20 +0900 (JST), Yasuhiro KIMURA wrote:
> I would like to add new feature to base system. My idea is simple but
> I'm not sure if it can be implemented as is expected. Therefore I
> think some trial and error will be necessary. To test it I need to
>
> (1) Edit some C source files.
> (2) Build and install one command and some library files.
>
> And doing buildworld and installworld each time I change source files
> is too heavy to repeat.
>
> Then are there any way to build and install only part of base source
> tree?
First of all, there's /etc/src.conf to control aspects of the
whole build process (see "man 5 src.conf"). Additionally, you
can change into a specific program's directory within the source
tree, then build and install it from there, for example:
# /usr/src/usr.bin/mt
[... you change mt.c ...]
# make
# make install
However be careful that, depending on the kind of changes you
make, it's possible that you need to rebuild other programs or
libraries, too. While "make buildworld" and "make installworld"
will handle such changes in an optimal manner (also see the
comment header of /usr/src/Makefile), the manual approach is
quite convenient for smaller changes, and in case of user
programs, can often be tested immediately.
Note: The build process itself will take place in /usr/obj (if
you're not changing this default), so always have a look at
what happens over there. ;-)
PS. I've done the same in /usr/src/sbin/fsck_ffs while trying
to debug and finally solving a very rare data recovery
problem.
--
Polytropon
Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
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