From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri May 3 9:22: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 006F037B404; Fri, 3 May 2002 09:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g43GKx608211; Fri, 3 May 2002 10:20:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g43GKTr09492; Fri, 3 May 2002 10:20:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 08:22:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <20020503.082221.37493394.imp@village.org> To: doconnor@gsoft.com.au Cc: grog@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org, wes@softweyr.com, dunham@dunham.org, jdunham@m3designinc.com, jdunham@texas.net Subject: Re: Ad-Hoc with Windows? From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <1020331032.442.168.camel@chowder.gsoft.com.au> References: <1020327165.442.165.camel@chowder.gsoft.com.au> <20020502183058.A52284@wantadilla.lemis.com> <1020331032.442.168.camel@chowder.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org : > - The BSDs are doing it wrong. We should be using IBSS mode, not demo : > ad-hoc. ad-hoc is insufficient. We should create a media option like OpenBSD has called master-ibss which does the right thing for the different types of hardware. : > - IBSS mode works with all systems I've tried it with. Assuming that you have new enough firmware in your lucent cards. : > - To set IBSS mode with Lucent cards, use -p 1 (just like managed mode : > or whatever we'll call it this time). Assuming that you have new enough firmware in your lucent cards. You need at least 6.0.3 to be able to use non-demo mode ad-hoc (IBSS). Otherwise, it won't work, according to reports I've seen. : > - On the Lucent cards, you don't get a signal strength indication. Lucent cards are the only ones I've seen that have good signal indication. However, it is in wicontrol -C only, not in the normal wicontrol output. : > One of the details about which Wes and I couldn't agree was whether an : > IBSS can route to the outside world. I say yes, because any system in : > the IBSS can have other interfaces as well. This isn't covered in the : > 802.11 standard, of course. Wes says no, because the 802.11 standard : > (available for free from : > http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/download/802.11-1999.pdf, which : > is nevertheless a web page) says that interconnection only works with : > BSS (i.e. managed) mode. I claim that this just refers to link-level : > interconnection, and that IP routing has nothing to do with 802.11. : > Comments welcome. IBSS is a mode that you need to do routing with. It won't bridge for you. You need access point for that. Maybe that's what Wes is talking about: the ability to put the access point on a network and have it deal properly with bridging the traffic onto the lan. Finally, a lot of stuff is in flux right now :-) Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message