From owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 25 00:22:07 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01F8106566B; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 00:22:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E1A8FC20; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 00:22:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C5A1FFC34; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 00:03:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BF2018452F; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 02:03:14 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Joe Shevland References: <201009011653.o81Grkm4056064@fire.js.berklix.net> <201009011902.06538.hselasky@c2i.net> <4C8627A6.1090308@icyb.net.ua> <4C989989.4050408@icyb.net.ua> <4C98AC42.1040104@digiware.nl> <20100921131610.GA58719@icarus.home.lan> <4C98B7E7.1020403@digiware.nl> <4C98E71F.4040800@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 02:03:14 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4C98E71F.4040800@gmail.com> (Joe Shevland's message of "Wed, 22 Sep 2010 03:10:55 +1000") Message-ID: <868w2qofjx.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Andriy Gapon , vadim_nuclight@mail.ru, freebsd-security@freebsd.org, Willem Jan Withagen , Jeremy Chadwick Subject: Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD 6.4 and 8.0 EoLs coming soon X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 00:22:07 -0000 Joe Shevland writes: > My thoughts are below - remembering its a volunteer project, people > spend their precious time to make it happen, and > noneofthatwisthandingitsstilldamngood: > > a) if you don't like it, fix it. > b) if you can't fix it, pay someone else to fix it > c) if you can't fix it or otherwise be helpful, remain silent That's a bit harsh. In more general terms, to get something done, you need someone with a) knowledge, b) opportunity and c) motivation. If you don't have all three, find someone who has at least one and provide what's missing. Money can provide opportunity, motivation, or both, but it is not the only solution. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no