From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 16 10:23:59 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD5216A4CE for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:23:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mygirlfriday.info (adsl-65-64-145-209.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net [65.64.145.209]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F04243D1F for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:23:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gv-list-freebsdquestions@mygirlfriday.info) Received: (qmail 47420 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 18:23:58 -0000 Received: from user204.net795.mo.sprint-hsd.net (HELO major.mygirlfriday.info) (65.41.216.204) by mongo.mygirlfriday.info with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 18:23:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:23:56 -0600 From: Gary Organization: Hardly X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1328732759.20040216122356@mygirlfriday.info> To: David Brinegar In-Reply-To: <20040216175340.GB14573@mail.brinegar-computing.com> References: <20040216091316.98506.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com> <20040216093332.GA85516@xor.obsecurity.org> <20040216043701.C95778@admin1.mdc.net> <20040216101801.GB58487@grover.logicsquad.net> <20040216055328.W1531@admin1.mdc.net> <20040216121927.GO58487@grover.logicsquad.net> <20040216175340.GB14573@mail.brinegar-computing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: spam removal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:23:59 -0000 Hi David, On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:53:40 -0800 UTC (2/16/2004, 11:53 AM -0600 UTC my time), David Brinegar wrote: D> Bounce messages are typically not good enough to avoid this. The D> other day a client tried to send an e-mail that exceeded my ISP's D> limit and was told something like "mailbox is full" and had no idea D> that the mailbox was empty but for their gigantic message. Thank D> you qmail. D> Funny enough, they just assumed it was another of those DNS blocks and D> had nothing to do with my mailbox, so I suppose they've grown weary of D> these DNS blocked messages. They did not bother to read the email. [snip] D> chops that off cleanly. The trick is to make sure that the D> rejection message is helpful to someone who might bother to read it. D> A bunch of numbers and "hello my name is qmail" doesn't cut it. I'm sorry, but have you ever used qmail as a server? It delivers a bounce called QSBMF, and to my knowledge is the only MTA that does. The bounce has 4 parts, a short intro paragraph, one or more recipient paragraphs, a break paragraph, and a copy of the original message. The recipient paragraph tells you why it was bounced, in human readable terms. e.g "Sorry, no mailbox here by that name." BTW, qmail does not impose mailbox limits. Your ISP must be using some associated program. -- Gary Succeed in spite of management.