From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Fri Jan 25 17:10:33 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09AD614BB88B for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 17:10:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 6yearold@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3150B8CAC6 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 17:10:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 6yearold@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id E427914BB888; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 17:10:31 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BECAF14BB887 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 17:10:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 6yearold@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pg1-f170.google.com (mail-pg1-f170.google.com [209.85.215.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13C358CAC2; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 17:10:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 6yearold@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pg1-f170.google.com with SMTP id g189so4456000pgc.5; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 09:10:31 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=iLoZ0x10cjdUKkG1zmH2imH/uYHW2FawSV4Hudd2dpI=; b=gQdzRBcd4hpF2KBev1cjJA5dMZhmSvOmVs4MH2vWQGDdWhSRsetplWe5imovKjNj6F p/Qxu9/EvKkw7M0Cv9zhhDN29h7b0Q1FVix89ORs7pyHxAdzlaTvcmSKa4Ib9P+WfEFE kRxc1K+ZGT2P75OsJQgC4wT1cdb9wlH+NZnpjd/Jr6TbbnhugOU6EshMUOcZOTtDEbuR vM0VBICvcSpOGQteLysJq6nPShroWaOUzuf2RWE1OQAMLLRX1z5TMzzO5ZGquV17b2dh NAKYboFBU+9e0Bq79XkAx9vZxeuRTT8IYeGMjyzihyDyu88uRZWkTuigZjJTfRcBnPCR ImyA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUukcvaxrVud/IVZSz6Z3gQoHOAALc/IQoGk/c5dSK1voyUYyg/1FM SmKMEVkDfjBvwqYcH0CWucOX0HIYdL0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ALg8bN64vNvspuYM+K2+4npR7+d5WMjNj2f+27z9PtmIf/TnOHN6pPvt+DgNWe+xloZUIaKXg02NLA== X-Received: by 2002:a62:c101:: with SMTP id i1mr11723242pfg.80.1548436229265; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 09:10:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pl1-f169.google.com (mail-pl1-f169.google.com. [209.85.214.169]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u87sm65783490pfi.2.2019.01.25.09.10.28 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 25 Jan 2019 09:10:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pl1-f169.google.com with SMTP id w4so4851362plz.1; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 09:10:28 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:d891:: with SMTP id b17mr12006241plz.80.1548436228645; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 09:10:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190125165751.kpcjjncmf7j7maxd@ivaldir.net> In-Reply-To: <20190125165751.kpcjjncmf7j7maxd@ivaldir.net> From: Gleb Popov Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2019 21:10:02 +0400 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Importing mksh in base To: Baptiste Daroussin Cc: arch@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 13C358CAC2 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.98 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.977,0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2019 17:10:33 -0000 On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 8:58 PM Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I would like to import mksh in base, https://www.mirbsd.org/mksh.htm > And make it the default root shell (not necessary in one step) > > Why: > 1/ it is tiny 400k (in the packaged version) all other shells fitting the > expectation are bigger > 2/ it's default frontend in interactive mode is very close to what most > people > are used to with bash Are there FreeBSD users that are used to bash? If not, this proposal looks like another "let's do like Linux" thing. and shells as default root shell on other BSD and most > linuxes > 3/ from my narrow window csh as a default root shell is one of the major > complaint (usually the first thing a user get faced to) from new comers and > also for some long timers who are reinstalling a machine and have not yet > installed/configured a bourne compatible shell > > What this proposal is _NOT_ about: > 1/ the removal of tcsh from base > 2/ any kid of denial of the quality and interest or features of csh > > What do you think? > Best regards, > Bapt >