From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 7 10:23:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C282A16A4CE for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:23:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2048143D1F for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:23:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i27IMxUA069015; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 20:22:59 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost)i27IMxZD069012; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 20:22:59 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 20:22:59 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: Colin Percival In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.1.20040306214526.08c5ed70@imap.sfu.ca> Message-ID: <20040307202113.I68396@haldjas.folklore.ee> References: <20040306005744.T38020@haldjas.folklore.ee> <20040306013914.D38020@haldjas.folklore.ee> <6.0.1.1.1.20040306214526.08c5ed70@imap.sfu.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=8.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on haldjas.folklore.ee cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Most wanted X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 18:23:06 -0000 On Sat, 6 Mar 2004, Colin Percival wrote: > At 21:44 06/03/2004, stephan mantler wrote: > >Also, to get a bit closer to the original topic. I can't remember where I > >read this (DDJ probably), but apparently programmers who have a deep > >understanding of computer architecture through low level programming also > >produce "better" code in high level languages. My interpretation is that > >they are simply feeding the compiler a better foundation to work with. > > Having seen quite a lot of undergraduate "computer science" students > over past decade, I can certainly support that interpretation. Nobody > quite understands why hash tables are not a perfect data structure > until they've tried to implement one in assembly language. (And, after > performing such a task, few people will use hash tables without asking > themselves, at least for a moment, if there might be a cheaper solution > to the problem at hand.) yeah, so they go for a simple singly linked list instead :( hash tables are a very non-trivial data structure, and the majority of way of implementing them are really gross from the point of view of having a deep memory hierarchy. > > Colin Percival >