From owner-freebsd-git@freebsd.org Mon Feb 8 21:29:32 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-git@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE5F542458 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 21:29:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x72c.google.com (mail-qk1-x72c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DZK0r0FSrz4svZ for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 21:29:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x72c.google.com with SMTP id t63so16063303qkc.1 for ; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 13:29:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=GFdiBl8S+KIEqRMVzEg4DU5YYyy0SQbqwNZMnFNG4yM=; b=PSyG+hBfdlBzrWWYYMLzBjBjwmEbnjVY1cw1jfonwFUIgNat6Lut8t2/HDqYBEmdQR rbxPNipx97F6w9Cv1X3o57lerjcvpS2G9VWlrqLw2sEp/YpDXghlnuejCMmWqmmtqIv7 ay3iuhO4jwZc6EBdiHJekudsuVQ3Ep9he+OvkWwcfncCTjgem8YcLN4mq5h4M3j4zepT mf0UPsbQJSbU0/9Ii1EVReDVnClQaGmmv7qZMXcS5aVPnaOR/GXEy6SDgfDEQfEqsNoC JarxelePVOzLDXjRDrx9Kl2ddBzMZ/U7ElJJBvWTbVLDMYH2cg9kUUwXVebxChu6ZOdZ PXrQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=GFdiBl8S+KIEqRMVzEg4DU5YYyy0SQbqwNZMnFNG4yM=; b=cY86gNZ19J9KiszzxXfIbJ9664sWu1i0mDuEIQyJDFndYoF+wRechi7b30l/PsHwxl OVutr6VXVgiznIHCF9Jd3Vvx80OugJ8Nbqgs93nfjxKEF+HxrcYAvJic7gGrnQvSVQMO fpRAoJ7Qi+KSxTjIUfMH6uD4SNR9Zcty/HtKm6fUoisgJ6WHlXucYHnUMJ3YrP0gDxVG o/GjvVXJKd1jFk7IhLlA5dAmkUhpfX3USYGQVJ1Ic2YA8egXsSxnB304pId/gc8VEb3M jNK3vZzuzGAPp8kJGxiQR+dJxcBabBiS9gxDj7rKSWwmcv5E81FsLZyODCU6E+kvSsyI z82Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5302YQIdlT3PeLcP9vMbIBNRGcTfRr6MI5GNuDpEGFECx5vKZQFB ooCh1cIaipYQd4+9cbf8eO+XWMyNsm3keMdboXi30oAoRQrchw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzdX/7xs6V8ijBJT8zFg2Eyd6vCHZJwAeTv5n2XLGmwn/E0hIekklSY08N/QhoPB7XPgfiVFdBHuUb37H4j1GQ= X-Received: by 2002:a37:a34f:: with SMTP id m76mr18664022qke.89.1612819771104; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 13:29:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49046db6-88d9-d59d-85f5-ecc1321b07c6@siemens.com> In-Reply-To: <49046db6-88d9-d59d-85f5-ecc1321b07c6@siemens.com> From: Warner Losh Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 14:29:20 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: gitup(1) in base To: "Osipov, Michael (LDA IT PLM)" Cc: freebsd-git X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DZK0r0FSrz4svZ X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=PSyG+hBf; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wlosh@bsdimp.com has no SPF policy when checking 2607:f8b0:4864:20::72c) smtp.mailfrom=wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-git]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-git@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsdimp.com]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72c:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72c:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72c:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-git@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of git use in the FreeBSD project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2021 21:29:32 -0000 On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 2:00 PM Osipov, Michael (LDA IT PLM) < michael.osipov@siemens.com> wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'd like to raise the question whether gitup(1) [1] can be included in > base? > On the whole, this is likely the right call. However, I have some quibbles... * It has reached a good maturity level > It seems adequate and seems to work for most of the main cases. However, it's still quite new which history suggests is a risk. I'd characterize it as beta quality since it works for the main cases and the rate of bugs we've seen in the past suggests there will be additional bugs. > * John Mehr reacts quite fast to issues > That mitigates the beta level of maturity somewhat though.... > * It makes the base system complete and suitably replaces svnlite > It's not clear that there's a consensus that we require this functionality in the base for it to be complete.... There's also not a clear consensus that there shouldn't be one in the base.... > * It does not impose the huge complexity and dependency hierarchy of the > original Git client on admins and other non-developers > This is quite true. This helps mitigate the risk of importing it. However, there's a lot of things happening in the git world that make it hard to know for sure. There's efforts to replace the hash algorithm, for example. > I've been testing back and forth in various combinations and it serves > quite well on a test machine here. > I think that on the whole this is a good idea, but with proper framing to mitigate future risks. If we put this into stable/13, then we're effectively committing to it for the next 3-odd years. This could land us in trouble should there need to change directions and use a different solution. We normally make stability guarantees for stable branches, and this brand-new software presents a risk in our ability to execute on this... Warner > Michael > > [1] https://github.com/johnmehr/gitup > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-git@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-git > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-git-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >