From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 18 13: 8:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93E937B40D; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dallben (pcp529856pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net [68.52.131.181]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 13 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GXX007AJ3YNIV@mtaout03.icomcast.net>; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:08:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "Brandon D. Valentine" Subject: Re: The problem with FreeBSD In-reply-to: <4.3.2.7.2.20020618134059.00e05bf0@localhost> X-X-Sender: bandix@dallben.homeportal.2wire.net To: Brett Glass Cc: Bill Flamerola , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <20020618145405.C11808-100000@dallben.homeportal.2wire.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Brett Glass wrote: >You actually make some good points about the nastiness of some people >in the FreeBSD community. Alas, you discredit yourself by posting >pseudonymously and by doing a great deal of flaming yourself. Perhaps you should qualify your definition of "good points". I saw no evidence behind any accusations made. I saw ad hominem attacks calling FreeBSD developers assholes and drunkards. Any points made by the author were merely begging the question. He gave no evidence that any of the attitudes of the people he mentioned were in some way detrimental to the project, he merely asserts that this must be true. He is also committing the sin of a /post hoc ergo propter hoc/ argument. The attitudes of a few developers within the FreeBSD community, if they are indeed causing a problem, may not be in any way related to the effects the poster was trying to justify cause for. Argument without substance is not argument at all. It's wasted breath and/or keystrokes. Brett, I've been reading your postings long enough to know you're an argumentative sort and also that your mien seems to be self-perpetuating because people now approach you as if to have an argument. Please understand I am not trying to argue with you. I am pointing out fallacies in someone else's opinions which I think you may have overlooked. I wish neither to defend the developers attacked by the poster nor defend the poster himself. Replies challenging me to do so will be directed to /dev/null. Brandon D. Valentine -- http://www.geekpunk.net bandix@geekpunk.net ++[>++++++<-]>[<++++++>-]<.>++++[>+++++<-]>[<+++++>-]<+.+++++++..++ +.>>+++++[<++++++>-]<++.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message