From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Wed Jul 29 06:27:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 940419AEBCD for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 06:27:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38B1D19F3 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 06:27:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from liminal.local (liminal.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3636:3bff:fed4:b0d6]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id t6T6RJAb099983 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 07:27:19 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.9.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk t6T6RJAb099983 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/t6T6RJAb099983; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none; dkim-atps=neutral X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host liminal.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3636:3bff:fed4:b0d6] claimed to be liminal.local Subject: Re: "broken" symbolic links in /usr/lib To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <20150728200034.GO1277@albert.catwhisker.org> <20150728184516.GN1277@albert.catwhisker.org> <20150728232054.GG41419@in-addr.com> <201507290448.t6T4moDa019590@dyslexicfish.net> From: Matthew Seaman X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <55B8723F.8090409@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 07:27:11 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <201507290448.t6T4moDa019590@dyslexicfish.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="prISsCCN9pDAHtk4AjGUXm71epXNR6S7O" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 06:27:32 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --prISsCCN9pDAHtk4AjGUXm71epXNR6S7O Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 29/07/2015 05:48, Jamie Landeg-Jones wrote: > Gary Palmer wrote: >=20 >> As best that I can recall, the permissions of the directory underneath= >> the mount point has been causing problems like this for as long as I'v= e been >> using FreeBSD, which is over 20 years at this point. It's certainly >> bit me in the distant past. >=20 > I concur. I always make mount point directories 0111,noschg,nodump - it= makes > them stand out when not mounted, and also stops accidental directory de= letion > potentially stopping a reboot from working. >=20 > But yeah, for 20+ years. I've also experienced problems if a mount-poin= t > directory doesn't have +x access. A long time ago -- before the millenium -- NeXT machines did away with the need for a mount-point directory to exist. So, if you wanted to mount /foo/bar, only the /foo directory needed to exist prior to the mount. Since NeXT was subsumed by Apple, and NeXTStep reborn as MacOSX, the same is presumably true today all Macs. (Although I haven't tested this personally.) I do wonder why the rest of the world didn't do likewise. It would make this sort of problem a non-event. Cheers, Matthew --prISsCCN9pDAHtk4AjGUXm71epXNR6S7O Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.20 (Darwin) iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJVuHJGXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ2NTNBNjhCOTEzQTRFNkNGM0UxRTEzMjZC QjIzQUY1MThFMUE0MDEzAAoJELsjr1GOGkATZCIP/A70oYjSmowH3qPzzkiPFpMn 2LKxCF1sQgP6NPKln3SO2ZJlaScjYgniq1IYxOG/rO13Ran0Rei1f2ebdD7ya2fx +MO8ofZrTTnplSFXv2ICiR54wG5n93X7nJKbhmKwCEdxjtvWec7F9yYU5T/dpB2P dbDvGfaNrZy636nOGjvOMMMBMS4REZDKkLVp/1v++12qY596pYhA86nOFZKm5lIU 97UGTFJ+avGN2F04LjfA+odBtuhrS3dszEaOLSIIOMZ+Z5VC/7E0fCa2ybnFYRd5 vYK+cpGRgODojfV5Hih+qEd51C4WdgOgd1laxj6tEIWMKOvU5NM2GeMiNbQPrGzl LcDGHL0LpP99zzYJICdM8k881wy6hALr6SGCGSw7sx8nG+WBrpTKmPhePltr0a22 YB89VsLm3rxz9D1j+Gip4+G3JLUcEeIOjXtyPMY/+AAYHJY45o0sBVMeQ9gY6LTs 9/P/FmGTEwU4eJQor2sLcwwQ4phOdWjfeU0H6Cl4r5G/tQqqE+wi3pPs0ENT7Lgz LRcQ8mBtGmhHu9dX61kR4fSySTQH1fPSPNc16dVX4du6unAZQhOZilsLKMHrP9en vGmWOJooAnEtkhWXs4dkiJrsY1w9WeX/t5qTqS6JYUFMpdkj6PSUGEbJawVZictl SPhfI+4xG3/OwsDQjdCz =QF2D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --prISsCCN9pDAHtk4AjGUXm71epXNR6S7O--