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Date:      Sun, 9 Jul 2017 22:33:40 -0700
From:      Doug Hardie <doug@mail.sermon-archive.info>
To:        Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de>
Cc:        Doug Hardie <doug@sermon-archive.info>, galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu, "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Questions" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Unusual Question
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In-Reply-To: <20170710052228.GA2338@c720-r314251>
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> On 9 July 2017, at 22:22, Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de> wrote:
>=20
> El d=C3=ADa domingo, julio 09, 2017 a las 05:34:06p. m. -0700, Doug =
Hardie escribi=C3=B3:
>=20
>>>> but it gives an not permitted error.  The whole thing can crash and
>>>> burn at the end.  This is an unmanned site so moving drives is not =
viable.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>=20
>> Thanks for the info.  I've never tried the rm approach, but the dd =
approach seems to work.  After a couple hours the machine became =
unresponsive and ssh sessions were terminated.  I think the drive is now =
empty.  I'd like to be able to get it back to verify, but that won't =
happen.  I still have 3 more systems to do this to.  The others will =
have to wait for awhile as I may still need them for a few more days.
>=20
> I do not think that this approach worked in the sense of overwriting =
all
> blocks of the disk. While walking through at some point the kernel =
will
> miss sectors of the disk, for example of memory mapped files of shared
> libs of other running processes or swapped out memory to disk. And the =
kernel
> will just crash or halt and you will notice that as terminating ssh =
session.
> Do not rely on the fact that the (sensitive) information on the disk =
was
> overwritten. The only secure way is doing this from a system running =
on
> some other disk and even this would allow to recover information with
> forensic tools reading beside of the tracks. Only physical destruction
> will help, for example burning the thing, as you said.

The swap space was on this drive so it should be overwritten also.  =
Physical memory will go when the power goes off.  It would be nice to be =
able to get the drive back and see just how much was overwritten, but =
that is not possible. I don't see why dd would not run to completion. =
The first test I ran it reported that it had cleared over 300 GB on a =
500 GB drive.  I may see if I can setup another system here and try that =
where I can monitor and test the result.





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