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Date:      Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:30:02 -0800 (PST)
From:      "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com>
To:        freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   RE: misc/33906: tic program is missing from the base FreeBSD installation
Message-ID:  <200201160930.g0G9U2d35171@freefall.freebsd.org>

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The following reply was made to PR misc/33906; it has been noted by GNATS.

From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com>
To: "Ruslan Ermilov" <ru@FreeBSD.org>
Cc: <bug-followup@FreeBSD.org>
Subject: RE: misc/33906: tic program is missing from the base FreeBSD installation
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:29:30 -0800

 >-----Original Message-----
 >From: Ruslan Ermilov [mailto:ru@FreeBSD.org]
 >Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 11:55 PM
 >To: Ted Mittelstaedt
 >Cc: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org
 >Subject: Re: misc/33906: tic program is missing from the base FreeBSD
 >installation
 >
 >> 
 >FreeBSD's base system doesn't have terminfo source files.  :-)
 
 I'm certainly not saying that we need anything in the base system
 to PRODUCE terminfo source files, just CONSUME them.  Think
 roach motel here - we want it to be really easy for the people
 to check in, but we don't want to help them check out.
 
 Anyway, FreeBSD doesen't have Linux binaries in it but by gosh
 isn't that /modules/linux.ko I see in the default install?  Nooo!
 
 > 
 >I clearly understand that tic(1) may be required by some admins,
 >but I certainly don't feel its place is in the base subsystem.
 >I'd be happy to see devel/ncurses port unbroken and installing
 >only those parts of ncurses distribution that are not included
 >into the base system, as Alexey suggests.
 >
 
 That's yet another alternative too that would work fine - as long
 as the system manual pages that are _already_in_ the base system
 are corrected so that someone looking for infocmp or tic is
 led to the right place.
 
 >> 
 >FreeBSD's base system doesn't use terminfo -- no green light
 >for tic(1) in the base system.
 >
 
 Then you have a lot of work to do rewriting man pages.  Basically
 what is going on here is that you want to have your cake and eat
 it too.  It's not fine to have tic in the base system even though
 it does something useful for termcap that FreeBSD does have, and
 it is fine to have the terminfo man
 page in there even though FreeBSD doesen't use terminfo.
 
 This is hypocrisy.  If you want a terminfo-less
 system then fine - rewrite the terminfo manpage to remove all
 mention of terminfo.  Otherwise, you should be focusing on what
 is important here - making FreeBSD as easy as possible to migrate to
 from System V or Linux.
 
 Don't forget that Sun just mightily pissed off all
 it's Solaris 8 users when they announced last week that Solaris 9
 won't be ported to Intel 32bit.  You would be amazed at the number
 of people "threatening" to go to FreeBSD in the Sun forums,
 almost more than are "threatening" to go to Linux.  While I
 am not advocating FreeBSD adopt System V look and feel, I certainly
 want to help those people on their way over here! :-)
 
 Ted

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