Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:30:02 -0800 (PST) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> To: freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org Subject: RE: misc/33906: tic program is missing from the base FreeBSD installation Message-ID: <200201160930.g0G9U2d35171@freefall.freebsd.org>
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The following reply was made to PR misc/33906; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> To: "Ruslan Ermilov" <ru@FreeBSD.org> Cc: <bug-followup@FreeBSD.org> Subject: RE: misc/33906: tic program is missing from the base FreeBSD installation Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:29:30 -0800 >-----Original Message----- >From: Ruslan Ermilov [mailto:ru@FreeBSD.org] >Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 11:55 PM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org >Subject: Re: misc/33906: tic program is missing from the base FreeBSD >installation > >> >FreeBSD's base system doesn't have terminfo source files. :-) I'm certainly not saying that we need anything in the base system to PRODUCE terminfo source files, just CONSUME them. Think roach motel here - we want it to be really easy for the people to check in, but we don't want to help them check out. Anyway, FreeBSD doesen't have Linux binaries in it but by gosh isn't that /modules/linux.ko I see in the default install? Nooo! > >I clearly understand that tic(1) may be required by some admins, >but I certainly don't feel its place is in the base subsystem. >I'd be happy to see devel/ncurses port unbroken and installing >only those parts of ncurses distribution that are not included >into the base system, as Alexey suggests. > That's yet another alternative too that would work fine - as long as the system manual pages that are _already_in_ the base system are corrected so that someone looking for infocmp or tic is led to the right place. >> >FreeBSD's base system doesn't use terminfo -- no green light >for tic(1) in the base system. > Then you have a lot of work to do rewriting man pages. Basically what is going on here is that you want to have your cake and eat it too. It's not fine to have tic in the base system even though it does something useful for termcap that FreeBSD does have, and it is fine to have the terminfo man page in there even though FreeBSD doesen't use terminfo. This is hypocrisy. If you want a terminfo-less system then fine - rewrite the terminfo manpage to remove all mention of terminfo. Otherwise, you should be focusing on what is important here - making FreeBSD as easy as possible to migrate to from System V or Linux. Don't forget that Sun just mightily pissed off all it's Solaris 8 users when they announced last week that Solaris 9 won't be ported to Intel 32bit. You would be amazed at the number of people "threatening" to go to FreeBSD in the Sun forums, almost more than are "threatening" to go to Linux. While I am not advocating FreeBSD adopt System V look and feel, I certainly want to help those people on their way over here! :-) Ted To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-bugs" in the body of the message
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