From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 9 15:39: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F15D37B400; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postal2.es.net (postal2.es.net [198.128.3.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC8F43E3B; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:38:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net ([198.128.4.29]) by postal2.es.net (Postal Node 2) with ESMTP id GQF37091; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 15:38:51 -0700 Received: from ptavv (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 311985D03; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:38:54 -0700 (PDT) To: Doug Barton Cc: Jay Sachs , stan , FreeBSD Stable Mailing List , des@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ssh to remote machines problem after cvsup In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Jul 2002 13:50:24 PDT." <20020709134923.O24728-100000@zoot.corp.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 15:38:54 -0700 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20020709223854.311985D03@ptavv.es.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:50:24 -0700 (PDT) > From: Doug Barton > Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > > Once again, it doesn't matter what the very small percentage of our user > base who reads -stable thinks. What matters is the hundreds of thousands > of people who expect the next RELENG_4 release to work pretty much like > the last one did. If that's what you want, ask for it. I think it would be reasonable to have 4.6.1 retain the 4.6 behavior as it is supposed to be a bug-fix only release and people will NOT be expecting this or any functional change. But leave -stable as it is. The number of SIGNIFICANT changes in the live of RELENG_4 that required operational changes from users is quite large. RELENG_4 started out without SSH and than had V1 only. I'm almost sure that the default disabling of EVERYTHING in the standard inetd.conf was in the life of RELENG_4. Changes for PCcards and the like are very significant. This is noise by comparison to those changes. R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message