From owner-svn-src-head@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 22 20:19:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D81110656B5 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:19:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx21.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92518FC20 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:19:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 14106 invoked by uid 399); 22 Dec 2009 20:19:22 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO foreign.dougb.net) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with ESMTPAM; 22 Dec 2009 20:19:22 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-Sender: dougb@dougbarton.us Message-ID: <4B3129CD.20908@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:19:25 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://SupersetSolutions.com/ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20091206) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "M. Warner Losh" References: <200912211943.nBLJhNUU038425@svn.freebsd.org> <200912211459.21766.jhb@freebsd.org> <20091221220004.GA42400@alchemy.franken.de> <20091221.211648.632868945383134253.imp@bsdimp.com> In-Reply-To: <20091221.211648.632868945383134253.imp@bsdimp.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 OpenPGP: id=D5B2F0FB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: svn-src-head@FreeBSD.org, svn-src-all@FreeBSD.org, src-committers@FreeBSD.org, jhb@FreeBSD.org, marius@alchemy.franken.de Subject: Re: svn commit: r200797 - head/lib/libc/stdtime X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:19:23 -0000 M. Warner Losh wrote: > We really need newer binutils in the tree. > > And we need a way to compiler gplv3 binutils into the system for folks > that can do that without consequences... But many modern processors > need to have the gplv3 version of binutils and that will be a > continuing problem. One advantage of FreeBSD is its integration, > rather than having to play version whack-a-mole like you do with > embedded Linux. When "we" last had the gplv3 discussion there were two lines of thought that were proposed. One is "import llvm/clang" and the other was "improve the infrastructure to support toolchains from ports." I know that the llvm/clang project is moving forward, and I think that's a great long-term direction. In the short term I think we are well served on all fronts to modify the build architecture to better support compilers from ports. This would actually help with the llvm/clang testing too, and sidestep the problems of gplv3 stuff being in the base. TMK there has been no work on this direction at all, which is disappointing. I know that there is a huge cultural bias towards shipping "a complete system," and don't get me wrong, I am fully supportive of that. I am NOT suggesting that we dike out the existing toolchain. Just that we make it easier to use toolchains from ports. Doug -- Improve the effectiveness of your Internet presence with a domain name makeover! http://SupersetSolutions.com/