From owner-freebsd-security Wed Mar 10 19:28: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (FLEDGE.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.93.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A80E151EA for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:28:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA29304; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:27:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:27:33 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: ob1k Cc: Marco Molteni , freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: disapointing security architecture In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, ob1k wrote: > Im sorry, but comments like: > 3. disappointed about FreeBSD security architecture? Fix it. > are such a copout and a really lame way of reasoning. Ah, but recall that in the minds of many free software authors, requests for features without code are also a copout :-). This is not to say that I condone a brisk "do it yourself" answer, but it is presumably important to recognize that all developer hours are donated, and precious few are available. Anyone with the insight to provide a cogent analysis of the shortcomings of the current in-between-state of the authentication system probably has the insight (although possibly not the time) to provide at least rudimentary fixes. I would say that the comment was poorly expressed in that it was less of an invitation and more of an accusation; I would say that the reasoning realistic, albeit unfortunately the case. I do not think it is the case that the majority of FreeBSD developers want to be unhelpful or fail to comply with the desire for a better product; it is more that they have a realistic (and now possibly bitter) familiarity with the lack of available resources :-). Robert N Watson robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ PGP key fingerprint: 03 01 DD 8E 15 67 48 73 25 6D 10 FC EC 68 C1 1C Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ TIS Labs at Network Associates, Inc. http://www.tis.com/ Safeport Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message