From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 1 00:40:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A6CD1065721; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 00:40:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sclark46@earthlink.net) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA0B8FC0C; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 00:40:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sclark46@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=lTbvxjnnxfqNTyblzhD/lJIcCsv6zQb4L4Q+gEnm5QbKbIs1E+0K5RfGNZtrQYWv; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [208.118.36.246] (helo=joker.seclark.com) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LTQOA-0002y8-2y; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:40:42 -0500 Message-ID: <4984EF88.4070203@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:40:40 -0500 From: Stephen Clark User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Goncharov References: <6B7ABE80-35AB-4C44-B5A4-200E10DCC3AC@airwired.net> <49819BD5.5040709@FreeBSD.org> <1233236412.1779.40.camel@wombat.2hip.net> <20090130195311.GK1755@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: a437fbc6971e80f61aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7928c00e2a19d325f3fbd8bfdac50d026e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 208.118.36.246 Cc: Peter Jeremy , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, rnoland@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unhappy Xorg upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: sclark46@earthlink.net List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 00:40:43 -0000 Alex Goncharov wrote: > ,--- You/Peter (Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:53:11 +1100) ----* > | X11 is a critical component for anyone who is using FreeBSD as a > | desktop and having upgrades fail or come with significant POLA > | violations and regressions for significant numbers of people is not > | acceptable. > > Fully agree with this. > > | I suggest that this approach needs to be followed for every future > | release of X.org until (if) the X.org Project demonstrates that they > | can provide release-quality code. > > And agree with this, as far as the future is concerned -- but this > leaves out the issue of what is going to be done for people whose > systems became practically incapacitated in a matter of one day. > > Screw us? > > I realize that personally I haven't contributed much (hey, a simple > port's maintainer!) to FreeBSD, so a disregard to my situation may be > well deserved. But "you" (whoever this "you" is: the "ports manager", > the X port maintainers) have to be aware that leaving the things in > the state they are now, you are screwing somebody. > > | > This update also brings in support for a lot of people who are > | >running newer hardware. > | > | And breaks support for lots of people who used to have functional X > | servers. > > Just so. > > ,--- Kostik Belousov (Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:25:09 +0200) ----* > | Just to give a different view on *this* update. I have exactly opposing > | experience. > | > | So far 1.5.3 + updated DRM works good on all my Radeons. > | And, I did not have a problem with i945GM on 1.4.2 and 1.5.3. > `----------------------------------------------------------* > > Well, glad for you -- meanwhile I will be reverting my desktop to the > old X this weekend: the garbage on the screen is ugly, but the fact > that in the new X "opera" can grab a pointer for about a minute makes > the combined use of the browser and xterms/Emacses plain intolerable. > > After I do this, as I did with my laptop already, I think I am > completely cut off from the ports automated upgrade cycle. > > -- Alex -- alex-goncharov@comcast.net -- > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > To add my experience, I have been using X on intel hardware since the late eighties when you had to calculate your modeline by hand. But I guess I have gotten spoiled by how easily it now is to normally configure X. Run X -configure and you normally are good to go. Well at work I had a dual head matrox card that would not configure after the upgrade, so I took it out of the machine to use the built in via graphics controller that worked fine under 1.4 but when I ran X -configure there was an error trying to load the via driver, because it didn't compile ( and as I later found out has been replaced by the openchrome driver - didn't see anything about that in UPDATING ) so the automatic config fell back to using the vesa driver. But when I tried to run X -config /root/xorg.conf.new X reported it couldn't find any screens for vesa driver no matter how I changed the config. After fighting with this for half a day I reverted back to 1.4 because I needed my machine operational to get some work done. -- "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Ben Franklin) "The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases." (Thomas Jefferson)