From owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 22 01:10:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE39D16A511; Mon, 22 May 2006 01:10:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from ext-gw.lemis.com (ext-gw.lemis.com [150.101.14.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C447443D45; Mon, 22 May 2006 01:10:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.135]) by ext-gw.lemis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7163131E4F; Mon, 22 May 2006 10:40:43 +0930 (CST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E36686F5B; Mon, 22 May 2006 10:40:43 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:40:43 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Warner Losh Message-ID: <20060522011043.GH48088@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <446B8E36.8050902@elischer.org> <20060518000342.GJ61448@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20060521221556.GA97506@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20060521.182731.74695972.imp@bsdimp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5vjQsMS/9MbKYGLq" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060521.182731.74695972.imp@bsdimp.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 VoIP: sip:0871270137@sip.internode.on.net WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Cc: cvs-src@freebsd.org, phk@phk.freebsd.dk, src-committers@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org Subject: Product management (was: Apologies) X-BeenThere: cvs-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the entire tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 01:10:46 -0000 --5vjQsMS/9MbKYGLq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday, 21 May 2006 at 18:27:31 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: >> my intention to be offensive, merely to draw attention to problems we >> have with product management. These problems remain. > > The pcvt removal has been long planned. It's the first I've heard of it. Maybe we should have an "axe candidates" page. In the case in point, it seems that julian's company uses it, and potentially they'd be willing to fund its further development. > I don't see how it points out a problem in the project. That depends on the situation: 1. (Now). It seems that a component was slated for removal, and none of us knew. That's a problem, especially if it's being removed for lack of love. 2. (Then). As I said, if code is going to be removed, the "project" (by default core) should approve it. That's too important a decision to leave to individual committers. > The software didn't keep pace with the development of the system, > and the multiple video consoles got in the way of progress. They do? How that? I find them very useful. Or do you mean pcvt vs. syscons? Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --5vjQsMS/9MbKYGLq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFEcQ+TIubykFB6QiMRAjEYAJ92mjT+pg5uWXLT5mx8zXLoD3mKkQCgn9HA Eh+oHOMaEcQg+fS/zNnIHVk= =5TS9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5vjQsMS/9MbKYGLq--