From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 5 13:29:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA24218 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:29:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Genesis.Denninger.Net (kdhome-2.pr.mcs.net [205.164.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24198 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:29:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from karl@Genesis.Denninger.Net) Received: (from karl@localhost) by Genesis.Denninger.Net (8.9.1/8.8.2) id PAA16615; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:28:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19981005152856.A16611@Denninger.Net> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:28:56 -0500 From: Karl Denninger To: Studded Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Advocacy - SAMBA as an NTAS replacement References: <19981005121318.A15283@Denninger.Net> <36192A34.8236DFD0@dal.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <36192A34.8236DFD0@dal.net>; from Studded on Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 01:21:08PM -0700 Organization: Karl's Sushi and Packet Smashers X-Die-Spammers: Spammers will be LARTed and the remains fed to my cat Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 01:21:08PM -0700, Studded wrote: > Karl Denninger wrote: > > > Then price NTAS and then compare it with $0 + $0 (FreeBSD + Samba). > > > > Tell me why everyone in their right mind isn't doing exactly this? > > Actually a lot of people are. I hear stories (from reliable sources) > all the time about people in IS departments who've quietly been > replacing NT machines with some variation of Unix + Samba because the NT > stuff was a nightmare to maintain and secure. In more than one location > I know of people who've kept the NT boxes "out front" with shiny things > on the screen for the managers to point to when doing tours. > > If my experience is representative of a larger trend (and from what > I've read it is), the next wave of upgrades won't be to NT 5, it'll be > "upgrading back" to unix. Should be interesting. :) > > Doug (who thinks that FreeBSD + Samba could become as big or bigger than > FreeBSD + Apache is now with the right marketing...) Well, the performance differential ALONE is worth it. The only thing that appears to be missing is complete domain services (ie: the ability to have lots of Samba servers but have them all share SMB authentication data). There are auditing/ACL issues (most Unices just don't do this stuff at present) but they are relatively minor for most people. The siren song of that kind of capability is far more compelling than the fact of it. I remember doing NFS file servers for Windows on B&W NFS years ago to a Unix system as a means of avoiding what I consider to be "Hell on Earth" - that was spelled "NOVELL". Now I see the same capability *NATIVE* on Unix, and I like it - a lot. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@denninger.net) http://www.mcs.net/~karl I ain't even *authorized* to speak for anyone other than myself, so give up now on trying to associate my words with any particular organization. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message