From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 28 15:04:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 843BABA0 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 15:04:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-x235.google.com (mail-wg0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A9D715DB for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 15:04:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f53.google.com with SMTP id y10so1023370wgg.32 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 07:04:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=siechniewicz.com; s=siechniewicz.com; h=mime-version:sender:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=WEssgn+9hf006Ae/a5spDzS7CIhTxKTkW9wyn77nFlE=; b=cXVFazz/y2QIkVpeTZbgoDabjsynU35yRtsE9QJHokMtRvr7mpbYohc5Tb9alRFfvv BL9aPm2JYWVAqcVg8POpZtyS+Ruw2wf3YyZW0r96w9EZ/QPkjUhKDYbXN3FIkaQR+DWu zEq9zzYqrjYr7ZOLSM6we1gCq95Yv7aCI8mlY= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:date:message-id:subject:from :to:content-type; bh=WEssgn+9hf006Ae/a5spDzS7CIhTxKTkW9wyn77nFlE=; b=JuUI21ejeQNZZhdx9eDI1ZYsyor4JjmlUEMjVWHl1RfixM+Jbor9YQx4U51TG8iM35 h0+us94kBAdtszIArzEUMv/34R2qhWAOOjSwOrM8QQZclJi9VFISD4vjqNE8nSSJ6sYi r+fXiP6ozteTqKZRmfV/TzhKmWsp7/NHO/71/4/bf7bCAscr3uL+Mekuq/YCj/qvEAv7 ySP7LKl6bkEZtAQ9895KISGt1AvzOXtz8C2ahQWp5KkKUyPsn8XXZovELUWRHSUG+aNx lzF+/7tnxj3fGRmmoLV5XxCkVW/a5eY+uBXstVLqE9tXyUe6nDFecEyGb2i9X3KFNsg2 istg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlDpeMlUMF+XMOL2ssPlGtH4E9SdrRyklbvL30HqQ+KjUhCWe6YUxOC4en882Aq4I33LNaY MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.93.169 with SMTP id cv9mr16166843wib.3.1390921445197; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 07:04:05 -0800 (PST) Sender: daniel@siechniewicz.com Received: by 10.194.37.102 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 07:04:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 15:04:05 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: _oinbBgfut6vSdgDNPxb_o-3Z04 Message-ID: Subject: What is the problem with ports PR reaction delays? From: Daniel Siechniewicz To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 15:04:07 -0000 Hi, Just a little stick in this anthill: - I've seen a few people volunteering, but so far the reaction seems to be: "oh, yeah, well, ah, cool". I'd expect, with all the talk about how much they are needed, that they will be "snatched" immediately and coerced into doing unspeakable things (like processing a 100 PRs a day, ensuring high quality testing and all that :) ). I certainly hope this is happening behind the scenes. - Tools are abundant, focusing on github vs. aegis is really just highjacking this thread. If there's a need for new tool set I suppose people who actually USE the existing ones for ports will be able to identify what's needed FOR THEM. Some form of democracy, I guess. - Yes, fresh look is very important, but you can't tear down something without knowing the consequences, which pretty much means not without in depth knowledge of the existing mechanisms. Not everyone in this discussion seems to be coming from this perspective. - Absolutely, automate the shit out of the process, get rid of stale PR's (and ports, for that matter), "retire" inactive commiters, etc. But first and foremost, get some stats out of the system, there's no point throwing numbers like 50% this, 80% that, if you simply don't know. Measure, analyze and focus your attention where it gets the most benefits. - And stop petty squabbles. Regards, Daniel